Analyst Speak: NVIDIA in PS3...!

[Qroach]

I don't think this is even remotely possible in happening. Sony likes to develop thier own technology. Always have and always will imo.

Also when Nvidia always talked about PS3 and Xbox, they referred to PS3 as a different brute force (poly pushing approach) to rendering compared to what they are doing and thaat MS would need some hardware that was very powerful to compete. That's basically telling MS that they better go with the right people next time or they won't get close to sony.

 

[London Geezer]

I don't think this is even remotely possible in happening. Sony likes to develop thier own technology. Always have and always will imo.

Also when Nvidia always talked about PS3 and Xbox, they referred to PS3 as a different brute force (poly pushing approach) to rendering compared to what they are doing and thaat MS would need some hardware that was very powerful to compete. That's basically telling MS that they better go with the right people next time or they won't get close to sony.

SONY alwyas like to develop their own tech, true, but they do so with the help of other companies such as Toshiba and IBM for example. what's to stop Sony to get some help from Nvidia for certain aspects of the rasterizer? personally, i think they could do well even without Nvidia's help, but everyone seems to think it would be a good thing...
Nvidia would not design the GPU in Ps3 simply because the idea of GPU is not right for an architecture like PS3. what they could do is assist them in what concerns the shaders side of things and supporting drivers/libraries... now that would be cool...

 

[Gubbi]

But the million dollar question is whether anyone apart from NV/ATI can design and produce anything competetive with CELL??? And even if they have resources do they have enough time??

The two companies slugging it out for the graphics hardware King Of The Hill title?

Of course they can.

Cheers
Gubbi

 

[London Geezer]

But the million dollar question is whether anyone apart from NV/ATI can design and produce anything competetive with CELL??? And even if they have resources do they have enough time??

The two companies slugging it out for the graphics hardware King Of The Hill title?

Of course they can.

Cheers
Gubbi

no, the 2 companies that have trouble making a stable .13 micron chips.... j/k

 

[Brimstone]

I certainly respect Sony having the guts to reach out for help. Who knows what crazy type of architechture they were working on. This is great news for developers. After reading all the speculation that Cell wont be in the PS3 over the last few months, it kind of leads me to think the original design concept wasn't so hot.

I wonder what Intel is thinking? Nvidia the company thats claims they will be bigger than Intel in 10 years and is producing chipsets for AMD CPU's and also a competitor in the integrated graphics sector is now working with Sony along with IBM. IBM of course is a traditional enemy and Sony trying to cook up a new architechture so they won't have to use one designed by Intel.

My opinion is that this makes Intel more sympathetic to Microsoft being victorious in the home console market. Obviously they will want big dollars for any type of serious help, but I really doubt they want to risk having Microsoft steamrolled in the home console market. In an indirect way this could be a win for Microsoft if they get to tap into Intels fab power. Intel gains nothing from a PS3 winning formula and competitors gain momentum for competing architechtures.

ATI seem to work better with Intel than Nvidia. After all they actually pay for a license to make P4 chipsets. I could see ATI creating a VPU and Intel fabbing it. Or Intel buys ATI and they design and manufacture almost every key aspect of the next Microsoft console.

It will be intresting if this news is true thats for sure.

 

[Panajev2001a]

After reading all the speculation that Cell wont be in the PS3 over the last few months

This speculation was wrong though... the Design Chair's article that put the basis of this big rumor was originated frommthe willingness of the author to interpret inhis own way what was told him...

 

[PC-Engine]

If this is true and SONY is reaching out to Nvidia for help then what does this say about their confidence in their own design skills ie Visualizer???

 

[London Geezer]

i always got the feeling that Sony listens to what the developers want and do something constructive about it. this can be said about every other company i guess.
looks at PSX --> PS2, developers wanted a very flexible architecture which would allow them to *touch the metal*... well, they got PS2, which is that idea to the power of 9875....
u know what i mean...
this generation, everyone was unhappy with:
1) IQ in PS2
2) lack of libraries etc

i'm sure they will sort those things out....

 

[Panajev2001a]

If this is true and SONY is reaching out to Nvidia for help then what does this say about their confidence in their own design skills ie Visualizer???

...

There are three paths...

1) Sony reaching out to nVIDIA

2) nVIDIA reaching out to Sony

3) Sony and nVIDIA meet at a middle ground...


You choose option 1) and add a negative twist...

 

[London Geezer]

If this is true and SONY is reaching out to Nvidia for help then what does this say about their confidence in their own design skills ie Visualizer???

what would be wrong with that.... if they want a top IQ and supporting drivers/libraries, who better than Nvidia to do the job for u... at least the HAVE a design, they dont resort to off the shelf parts....

 

[PC-Engine]

If this is true and SONY is reaching out to Nvidia for help then what does this say about their confidence in their own design skills ie Visualizer???

what would be wrong with that.... if they want a top IQ and supporting drivers/libraries, who better than Nvidia to do the job for u... at least the HAVE a design, they dont resort to off the shelf parts....

Think CELL concept.

 

[London Geezer]

If this is true and SONY is reaching out to Nvidia for help then what does this say about their confidence in their own design skills ie Visualizer???

what would be wrong with that.... if they want a top IQ and supporting drivers/libraries, who better than Nvidia to do the job for u... at least the HAVE a design, they dont resort to off the shelf parts....

Think CELL concept.

your point?...
i dont get what would be wrong in having an expert in IQ and all that by your side...
they have loads of companies by their side, whats wrong with having Nvidia....
they have IBM to make sure they get the .09 micron and below working, they have toshiba to... do other stuff... and Nvidia taking care of the IQ (which needs work to be honest)...

 

[PC-Engine]

Well my point was that if they're not confident with Visualizer which is based on the CELL concept then how confident are they with the Broadband Engine?

 

[London Geezer]

Well my point was that if they're not confident with Visualizer which is based on the CELL concept then how confident are they with the Broadband Engine?

u might be right (in another universe in a different dimension ) but the way i see this is: they've got the hardware designs in place already, they're only getting Nvidia to sort out IQ and features support... Nvidia would not touch the design of the visualizer, and if they do it would only be for basic features, since i expect the architecture to be flexible enough to support as fewer features in hardware as possible.
but this is all speculation so....

 

[PC-Engine]

That sounds reasonable too.

 

[London Geezer]

ALSO, THINKING ABOUT THIS a bit more in depth, it would be extremely weird if Nvidia does power Xbox2.

let me get this straight...

Nvidia are going to get their GPU's done at IBM from NV40 on...

IBM is co-powering PS3, but if NV powers the Xbox2 then IBM would play a part in the GPU manufacturing of the XBOX2..... IBM would have to cook Cell chips for PS3 AND the GPU for the next XBOX... a bit too much if u ask me...

isnt that too complicated? is it not much more reazlistic having IBM and NV playing a part in only one console, PS3?

 

[PC-Engine]

Well IBM has excess capacity AFAIK and it hasn't been confirmed if IBM will be manufacturing all of Nvidia nextgen GPUs. They're only manufacturing a portion of the volume. The other portion is UMC or was that TSMC???

 

[London Geezer]

and i was also thinking, Sony is already well into PS3's development to be changing designs in favour of Nvidia. without getting into the money side of the story. Sony already invested more than enough into PS3, i dont think they will want to pay whatever amount Nvidia wants to alter designs....

i'm pretty confident that IF NV plays a part in PS3 it will only be as a IQ supervising support kind of thing.... and this can only mean that there will be NO IQ issues in PS3...
although i think ATI would have been a better choice

 

[3dcgi]

Seriously, that article sounded more like speculations. Perhaps Sony wanted nvidia CG

That would be interesting. One language that could work on the PC and PS3. I'd imagine porting effects would be easier.

 

[Ooh-videogames]

You guys speak as if Nintendo can't compete, I believe they have already sealed the deal with ATI for a GPU. Nintendo has a great relationship with ATI and it would only seem obvious for them to continue working together. Microsoft and Nintendo really have no choice but to work with their previous GPU partners because if their gonna release along side Sony's PS3. Backwards compatibility is the only way they can make sure they don't alienate gamers by releasing their systems a year earlier than the normal cycle.