Analyst Speak: NVIDIA in PS3...!

I guess this news is kinda expected.. I mean in that one radio interview you had the CEO of Nvidia praising Cell and PS3 while backing away from Xbox2.
 
Tagrineth said:
Guys. This is an analyst who believes nVidia will be in there. Let's not be too hasty believing it... though it would be very impressive and cool if it happened.
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Yes, listen to the girl before you make yourselves too open to the inevitable "Chap Strikes Back" (Helmet, Lightsaber and all) when this is dismissed as yet another baseless rumor from an analyst.*

*Unless Mr. Baumann know something, inwhich case I'm sold as usual.
 
License ? They would get rewarded for that...

Everyone has its price... that is a fixed revenue for nVIDIA, arriving upfront... also, Sony might offer them something... Cell technology, 65 nm manufacturing process, etc...

Also nVIDIA might be using Sony technology + theirs for this GPU and Sony would get to manufacture the chip...
 
If this is false, Vince you can give me a kick in the butt ( not too hard, I am delicate :p )... still I am happy and I can let my fantasy dream a bit :D
 
Panajev2001a said:
After all Sony did not design the GS completely by themselves... they had the help of Simplex Solutions...
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Simplex Solutions, now owned by Candence Design Systems, doesn't actually design the processor. They supply automated synthesis tools and other EDA products to companies for the back-end design of an IC.

Marco could go into much greater detail as he's much more fluent and articulate on this topic than I.


I don't believe this on the grounds as such an unholy alliance, which is what this would be, is not only unnecessary from SCE's perspective, but it could put nVidia in an awkward position in the PC 3D arena where they're fighting tooth and nail to regain from what would appear to a minor internal design hemmerage for the first time since it's humble beginnings.

EDIT: Although, I can see some odd, albiet superficial signs of this. IBM's willingness to take on nVidia and utilize technology (eg. 90nm, 65nm SOI) that was financed in large part by Toshiba and Sony with them. Aswell as nVidia's long-term strategic goal which has been to power every pixel on an electronic device. Perhaps they see Cell and what it's potential is and were willing to deal to get a foothold.

But, I'm still venomously opposed to this idea. I think it's far more likely this is: (a) Analysts error/speculation, (b) nVidia's way to gain better terms with Microsoft (vis-a-vis GigaPixel circa 2000).
 
Simplex Solutions, now owned by Candence Design Systems, doesn't actually design the processor. They supply automated synthesis tools and other EDA products to companies for the back-end design of an IC.
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You might be right... I did say "with the help" of Simplex Solutions...

I do understand that most of the job was done by SCE and Toshiba...

Still nVIDIA might be interested in Cell and in the 65 nm and 45 nm technologies Sony and Toshiba and IBM have been pushing so far... as you were saying in your post...
 
Panajev2001a said:
I do understand that most of the job was done by SCE and Toshiba...
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AFAIK, SCE's internal R&D division based in Japan (I forget the name) designed the Graphic Synthesizer. Toshiba designed the EE.

Still nVIDIA might be interested in Cell and in the 65 nm and 45 nm technologies Sony and Toshiba and IBM have been pushing so far... as you were saying in your post...
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I think nVidia would be more interested in getting it's IP in Cell then to have Cell itself.
 
Again, I seriously doubt this.

DirectX is NVIDIA's lifeblood, as DirectX powers the majority of 3D aps on PCs, which is where a massive hunk of NVIDIA's revenue comes from.

Who is the Big Cheese of DirectX? Microsoft. It would be catastrophic for NVIDIA to loose out on DX10/11/12 R&D.

As much as we'd all like Cell to Take Over The World and such, NVIDIA is not going to bet the farm (cough their relation with MS cough) over it.
 
who says Nvidia has to stop working on DX10/11/12 GPUs. they can just privide Sony with some IP for GS3, not focus all their attention on PS3.
 
megadrive0088 said:
who says Nvidia has to stop working on DX10/11/12 GPUs. they can just privide Sony with some IP for GS3, not focus all their attention on PS3.
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What I meant was that if NVIDIA did help out SCE, they'd risk Microsoft shutting them out of DX10/11/12 R&D talks.
 
Will Nvidia tech just be in a part of GS3? Or will PS3 use a full NV45 or something.
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it could be either, but it's MUCH more likely to be Nvidia aiding/contributing to GS3's rasterizing part. the Pixel Engines of Visualizer/GS3 would be where Nvidia is of the most help to Sony.
I guess they (GS3's Pixel Engines) would share technology with NV4X/NV5X's pixel pipelines/pixel shaders.
 
What I meant was that if NVIDIA did help out SCE, they'd risk Microsoft shutting them out of DX10/11/12 R&D talks.
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ahhh yes, I see what you mean now. yeah I see how that might happen.

I think nVidia will avoid anything detrimental to their core PC operations.

or perhaps Nvidia conciders Sony and PS3/PS4 (volume volume volume)to be more important than Microsoft, PC and XBox2/3.
 
CG is a nice step to becoming independant. Besides, can microsoft truely cast away nvidia from directX? What did nvidia get out of microsoft's directX in the past year and a half over ATI ? Maybe they already lost their relationship with MS.
 
Cyborg said:
CG is a nice step to becoming independant. Besides, can microsoft truely cast away nvidia from directX? What did nvidia get out of microsoft's directX in the past year and a half over ATI ? Maybe they already lost their relationship with MS.
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Remember Glide? :p
 
zurich said:
What I meant was that if NVIDIA did help out SCE, they'd risk Microsoft shutting them out of DX10/11/12 R&D talks.
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Like they shut out ATi for providing GPUs to Nintendo? Please.
 
zurich said:
Remember Glide? :p
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With all due respect, thats really not a fair comparason as 3dfx and nVidia are worlds apart in their market position, developer relations, design ability, employee retention, et al...

EDIT: GeeForcer, wouldn't that practice be a little bit on the illegal side? Antitrust maybe?
 
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