Analyst Speak: NVIDIA in PS3...!

Panajev2001a said:
Vince... he meant that they didn't shut out ATI for the GCN and GCN 2 deals, they won't shut out nVIDIA...
Click to expand...

Thats a bit different, as ATI acquired the company that originally inked the deal. Also, MS was already shacked up with NVIDIA at that point.

The burning issue would be if NVIDIA left MS at the altar, leave them partner-less for the XB2. THEN I could see Redmond getting a little pissed, as they'd have no where to turn (SiS? :p).
 
Panajev2001a said:
Zurich... what about ATI and the deal for GCN 2 ? ;)
Click to expand...

ATI and MS were never implicitly or explicitly tech partners on a console, past/present/or future. The issue would be NVIDIA leaving MS for the 'enemy'. ATI's lucky, ATI gets to be Switzerland on this :)
 
This makes MS's task even more difficult....who do they choose now that NV/ATI may not be an option?? And whether they can be competetive with Sony/N in next gen..???
 
it might just be the case, that MS is going with ATI for XBox 2, so they won't even care. if NVIDIA thought that was happening getting a hand in the PS3 pie would be very attractive. NVIDIA isn't only interested in the PC biz, they want to be in everything from TVs to cellphones, I believe they once made a statement that their goal is to "push every pixel on the planet".
 
Deepak - MS has the following graphics options assuming Nv is out, which they are not, yet.

ATI
their own IP from 3DO M2/MX and Talisman(?)
SGI
PowerVR
3DLabs
Bitboys (j/k!)


perhaps more that I'm not aware of. maybe some frankanstine combination of the above ;)
 
Vince said:
zurich said:
Remember Glide? :p
Click to expand...

With all due respect, thats really not a fair comparason as 3dfx and nVidia are worlds apart in their market position, developer relations, design ability, employee retention, et al...
Click to expand...

Eh... um... Cg and GLide are nothing alike.

Cg code can compile just fine for Radeons, Trident XP4's, S3 DeltaChromes, even SiS Xabres.

GLide code can't run on anything other than the Voodoo line, without use of a wrapper.


And final note: To everyone saying "OH X COMPANY WILL SHUT OUT Y MANUFACTURER BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING A CHIP FOR Z COMPETITOR'S CONSOLE" need to look back a little bit.

PSX and N64 both had MIPS cores. r3400i and r4300i, respectively.
 
PSX and N64 both had MIPS cores. r3400i and r4300i, respectively.
Click to expand...

Yeah but MIPS' business model (ARM as well) is basically to license the ISA and synthesizable cores, where as Nvidia designs and sells parts.

And final note: To everyone saying "OH X COMPANY WILL SHUT OUT Y MANUFACTURER BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING A CHIP FOR Z COMPETITOR'S CONSOLE" need to look back a little bit.
Click to expand...

This I can agree with you on. Besides people forget that companies can and do compete in one sector and partner up in another all the time. Some people forget that while Sony and MS compete in consoles, Sony is also a rather large Windows customer for MS (not only in hardware sales but also for corporate operations).
 
archie4oz said:
This I can agree with you on. Besides people forget that companies can and do compete in one sector and partner up in another all the time. Some people forget that while Sony and MS compete in consoles, Sony is also a rather large Windows customer for MS (not only in hardware sales but also for corporate operations).
Click to expand...

:LOL: I didn't even think of this one. I can see it now:

HEADLINE:

Sony may be forced to sell PC's based on Windows competitor Linux

Microsoft, in a stunning decision today, chose to cancel all Windows licenses and sales to Sony. Microsoft was quoted as saying "Ha! Eat that, Sony! You may have Xbox beat with PS2, and you may well beat our Xbox Next with your PS3... but we WILL have the last laugh! Just wait and see what your PC sales will be like without Windows!"
 
megadrive0088 said:
Deepak - MS has the following graphics options assuming Nv is out, which they are not, yet.

ATI
their own IP from 3DO M2/MX and Talisman(?)
SGI
PowerVR
3DLabs
Bitboys (j/k!)


perhaps more that I'm not aware of. maybe some frankanstine combination of the above ;)
Click to expand...

But the million dollar question is whether anyone apart from NV/ATI can design and produce anything competetive with CELL??? And even if they have resources do they have enough time??
 
Tagrineth said:
archie4oz said:
This I can agree with you on. Besides people forget that companies can and do compete in one sector and partner up in another all the time. Some people forget that while Sony and MS compete in consoles, Sony is also a rather large Windows customer for MS (not only in hardware sales but also for corporate operations).
Click to expand...

:LOL: I didn't even think of this one. I can see it now:

HEADLINE:

Sony may be forced to sell PC's based on Windows competitor Linux

Microsoft, in a stunning decision today, chose to cancel all Windows licenses and sales to Sony. Microsoft was quoted as saying "Ha! Eat that, Sony! You may have Xbox beat with PS2, and you may well beat our Xbox Next with your PS3...but we WILL have the last laugh! Just wait and see what your PC sales will be like without Windows!"
Click to expand...

Sony is not a big PC manufacture....so doesnt matter to them....it will only fuel anti-MS sentiments among poeple... :D

Btw, it may happen in future!!! Sony is already making moves towards linux.....PS2 linux kit....PS3 will have customised Linux....Sony has invested big amounts in Linux research....
 
if this was the only article, i would take it as wild speculation. but there are too many things indicating Nvidia will have a hand in PS3's pie.

Nvidia CEO's comments on PS3/Cell being a "Miracle Machine" and that he'd like Nvidia to be apart of it.

Nvidia getting IBM to produce some future GPUs

Sony's need for high quality rasterizing technology (sony can do it themselves but Nvidia is better)


This article


I will edit in the rest when I remember :)
 
Personally, I'm still not sure, I mean the comments about "PS3 being a mirrical machine" can be seen two ways, one as indication of working with PS3 and two as a way of getting MS backon thier side throuhg fear.

Worst case, Ms goes with Power VR... well dreamcast wasn't all the bad! :D
 
Jabjabs said:
Personally, I'm still not sure, I mean the comments about "PS3 being a mirrical machine" can be seen two ways, one as indication of working with PS3 and two as a way of getting MS backon thier side throuhg fear.
Click to expand...

Yep, I see there is a lot of wishful thinking going on :LOL:


But the million dollar question is whether anyone apart from NV/ATI can design and produce anything competetive with CELL??? And even if they have resources do they have enough time??
Click to expand...

CELL? It's a patent my friend unless you or somebody have real performance figures :LOL:
 
zurich said:
What I meant was that if NVIDIA did help out SCE, they'd risk Microsoft shutting them out of DX10/11/12 R&D talks.
Click to expand...

What about OpenGL? If a major gfxcard manufacturer like nVidia began supporting OpenGL exclusively then a lot of the smaller manufacturers and also their nearest competitor would probably be tempted to follow suit. I don’t think that would be in microsofts interest?
After microsoft has been forced to open up their APIs, it shouldn’t be a problem to make something matching directX in performance.
 
unless something drastically changes, i don't see how microsoft could cut NV out just because of supporting Sony...
Sony is already manufacturing the Vaio line of laptop, and to the guy saying they are not a BIG manufacturer, i'm sorry to say that the VAIO line of computers is by far the best selling at least here in the UK. at least when it comes to laptops...
they're different businesses, and as i said, unless something changes in the management side of things, no one will get hurt... MS didnt shut ATI out for *helping* Nintendo...
personally, there are too many hints, too many connections such as NV-IBM and IBM-toshiba-Sony and too many rumours for it not being at least in the talks
what strikes me the most is how NV is going to benefit from IBM's manufacturing processes in the future. Processes partly funded by Sony and Toshiba in the whole Cell project...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top