Yay, paper launch.
trollololololol.
I'm afraid you have no idea.
Yay, paper launch.
AMD may have a problem in the consumer space if a GK104 with similar die size doesn't have ECC and 1:2 DP overhead. Nothing dramatic, but Nvidia already paid the price of a switch to a high-geometry throughput and compute oriented architecture earlier. It's not even clear if AMD has taken care of the former this time around.fellix said:Yes, compute features do matter here much more. And don't forget that DP performance increase is much more that the plain difference in ALU count.
580 is about 12%-15% faster and 590 is about 40%-50% faster. So my range is quite (big) fine.I'd expect closer to GTX590 than 580, but definately not above 590
trollololololol.
I'm afraid you have no idea.
Or do I?You could always wait 6 months for the first real Kepler.
I'm afraid I do...I'm afraid you have no idea.
Will this also offer unified driver installation? Since it uses GCN?
I'm afraid I do...
unified as in support for DT+mobile?
They have taken care. Maybe not to the same amount as nVidia did with Fermi (still only 2 setups and slower for medium and high tess factors), but it is definitely improved with about 3.5 times the tesselation performance of Cayman (probably done by holding the data in the L2, somewhat similar to what Fermi does). With this tesselation performance they will still lose in directed tests, but it probably removes quite a bit of the bottleneck for the amount of tessellation one can expect in games for the near and medium term (as seen in Unigine heaven where the Tahiti performance is supposed to be 2.4 times that of Cayman and about 50% in front of a GTX580, if I compare the right numbers ).Nvidia already paid the price of a switch to a high-geometry throughput and compute oriented architecture earlier. It's not even clear if AMD has taken care of the former this time around.
If they announce that but I can't buy the cards then yes, it is.So when they announce "this is the date you can buy them" and you can buy the cards.. that constitutes a paper launch for you?
If they announce that but I can't buy the cards then yes, it is.
If they announce that but I can't buy the cards then yes, it is.
They tweaked their geometry engine once again but it is basically the same as in Cypress and nowhere even close to what NV have since GF100. It does look like their tesselation/geometry performance is "enough for current moment" though thus it's not a problem. From everything that's been leaked now the real problem looks to be the cost of the cards relative to their performance - it does look like Tahiti costs too much for what it brings to the table. I'm still hoping that we'll see more than what was in these leaked slides because this was underwhelming for a 28nm $500+ videocard.They have taken care. Maybe not to the same amount as nVidia did with Fermi (still only 2 setups and slower for medium and high tess factors), but it is definitely improved with about 3.5 times the tesselation performance of Cayman (probably done by holding the data in the L2, somewhat similar to what Fermi does). With this tesselation performance they will still lose in directed tests, but it probably removes quite a bit of the bottleneck for the amount of tessellation one can expect in games for the near and medium term (as seen in Unigine heaven where the Tahiti performance is supposed to be 2.4 times that of Cayman and about 50% in front of a GTX580, if I compare the right numbers ).
So having, let's say, about 500 cards for the whole world is not a paper launch? OK then.If you can't but I can, do you consider it a paper launch? Maybe your country is not a priority to AMD, but it doesn't mean it's a paper launch, it's allocation to the most important markets.
Pretty sure most of Nvidia's launches have been paper according to me then ..If I can't buy it a week after launch then it's a paper launch to me. And yes, I'm talking about myself. Always.
So having, let's say, about 500 cards for the whole world is not a paper launch? OK then.
If I can't buy it a week after launch then it's a paper launch to me. And yes, I'm talking about myself. Always.
And last time I checked Russia is one of the most important market for PC gaming.
Pretty sure most of Nvidia's launches have been paper according to me then ..
Not even sure why I'm wasting my time on this.
I agree that Fermis geometry handling is more advanced (I didn't say otherwise, Tahiti has no distributed Tess for instance).They tweaked their geometry engine once again but it is basically the same as in Cypress and nowhere even close to what NV have since GF100.
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So having, let's say, about 500 cards for the whole world is not a paper launch? OK then.
If I can't buy it a week after launch then it's a paper launch to me. And yes, I'm talking about myself. Always.
And last time I checked Russia is one of the most important market for PC gaming.
So having, let's say, about 500 cards for the whole world is not a paper launch? OK then.