AMD: Sea Islands R1100 (8*** series) Speculation/ Rumour Thread

You are aware I hope that the person you're responding to is an AMDer?? :?:

yes I know. but he is not going to talk about "unreleased AMD products". standard reasoning.:D

So only he knows what it is that AMD have to respond to GTX 700 series. If they have nothing I find it hard to believe. They know 20nm is not ready for another year. TSMC admitted it publicly on their Q1 2013 earnings conference call.

Selling Tahiti and Pitcairn against GTX 700 series at current price points would be an open invitation to Nvidia to take more market share. Nvidia have already destroyed AMD in notebooks with 70% marketshare. Desktop is only slightly better for AMD. Nvidia still holds > 60% desktop GPU market share. If AMD are going to have no new products then they deserve whats coming their way - marketshare losses and GPU division losing money.
 
AMD might have waited for Nvidia to launch their GTX 700 series so as to better position their cards against the competition. We saw Nvidia do that very well when they launched GTX 680 / GTX 670.

Perhaps. I believe Nvidia still has headroom with GK110 though, should they need to react to a new high-end card launched by AMD before Maxwell is ready. Titan has a 250W TDP with 14 out of 15 SMX units activated and boost clocks to around 1GHz. I could see a special edition 1GHz+ 15 SMX version being a good 15-20% faster within a 300W envelope, that ought to at least tie whatever AMD can release on 28nm. Of course that would be a low volume part and who knows what would happen with prices but it's all speculative anyway.
 
raghunathan: Hainan is low-end GPU designed esp. for mobile segment.

the names might be wrong. but there is definitely a AMD product stack refesh to compete with GTX 700 series. Some are calling volcanic islands and some are calling sea islands. If AMD is going to sit idle for another year things get ugly for AMD. Nvidia is already eating AMD's lunch.
 
the names might be wrong. but there is definitely a AMD product stack refesh to compete with GTX 700 series. Some are calling volcanic islands and some are calling sea islands. If AMD is going to sit idle for another year things get ugly for AMD. Nvidia is already eating AMD's lunch.

Volcanic is 20nm based on every leak, rumor, whatever, and it'll come in very late this year if the process allows it.
AMD has also said that 7900 is their highend for this year.
 
the names might be wrong. but there is definitely a AMD product stack refesh to compete with GTX 700 series. Some are calling volcanic islands and some are calling sea islands. If AMD is going to sit idle for another year things get ugly for AMD. Nvidia is already eating AMD's lunch.
Well the names turned out to be correct they just weren't the chips people were expecting. So if you'd go by that there'd be only one chip missing (curacao) from the series, not two.
 
Most of those leaks also had the ludicrous Opteron APU block diagram that was shot down multiple times but kept coming back.

TSMC started 28nm volume production in October 2011 and we didn't see realistic stock of the 7970 until mid January 2012. Now they are saying Q1/Q2 2014 for the start of 20nm volume production - that's the middle of 2014 before we'll realistically see any 20nm gpu's.

It surely has to be 28nm if it's going to be released anything near the end of this year. There's an outside chance of GF instead of TSMC I guess.
 
And the question still remains:
Is that from a (credible!) source or is it speculation from the author himself.

just ask him maybe ?

Joke aside, he was visit AMD HQ and do an article about AMD CPU, so i can imagine at least what is say is credible, now, does the date is right or a speculation or misinterpretation of him, thats another story.

But in this context, he's surely more credible of Videocardz or WCC who re hash again and again the same rumors from 2012. ( now again, does he have misinterpret the information he got, or AMD have change his plan ? the 2013 gpu series was allready ready 1 year ago, they have decided to dont release them first, but now, as Nvidia is re interpret the 680 in 770 and Titan have been push .. maybe they have decided to move too ).
 
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And the question still remains:
Is that from a (credible!) source or is it speculation from the author himself.

It's nothing that hasn't been said before:

Anandtech 15/02/13 http://www.anandtech.com/show/6751/amd-reiterates-2013-gpu-plans-sea-islands-beyond

"Finally, AMD also used a bit of their time to talk about their plans for the end of the year. With the 7900 series seemingly set as-is for the rest of the year, AMD has formally announced that they will be introducing a new GPU microarchitecture by the end of 2013.
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In any case, AMD’s new GPU microarchitecture will in turn drive a new generation of products that will be introduced at the same time. AMD isn’t saying anything more about what’s to come from that family, but we would note that the timeline for the launch of this new family lines up with how long AMD expects the 7900 to remain their enthusiast mainstay."
 
Catalyst 13.6 beta

AMD6818.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8870"
AMD679A.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8950"
AMD6798.2 = "AMD Radeon HD 8970 Graphics"
AMD679B.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8990"
AMD683D.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8760"
AMD683D.2 = "AMD Radeon HD 8760"
AMD6778.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8470"
AMD665C.1 = "AMD Radeon HD 8770"
AMD679A.2 = "AMD Radeon HD 8950"
AMD679B.2 = "AMD Radeon HD 8990"
 
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi..._Quarter_First_Specs_of_New_Chips_Emerge.html

AMD is projected to release code-named Curacao and Hainan graphics processing units that will belong to GCN 2.0 family of products in Q3 2013, reports Chiphell web-site. The new architecture will have a number of enhancements, but the source only mentions that it will come with improved front-end (4 asynchronous computing engines [ACEs], 3 geometry engines) as well as increased amount of stream processors. Both Curacao and Hainan belong to Sea Islands family of GPUs, hence they do not feature advance heterogeneous compute capabilities.

The two chips are expected to be made using 28nm process technology, which is logical, keeping in mind that AMD’s manufacturing partner Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. will only start risk production using 20nm fabrication process in Q4 2013.

The Curacao XT graphics processor is expected to feature 2304 stream processors (36 compute units), 144 texture units, 48 render back ends and 384-bit memory controller. The Hainan is projected to have 1792 stream processors (28 compute units), 112 texture units, 32 render back ends and 256-bit memory controller. Both chips will share the same front-end (just-like current-gen Radeon HD 7900 and 7800 do) with 4 asynchronous computing engines [ACEs], 3 geometry engines, command processor, global data share and so on.



The web-site mentions various products based on the new chips, including Radeon HD 8970, Radeon HD 8950, Radeon HD 8870 and Radeon HD 8850 along with clock-speeds and configurations. However, considering that the products are months away, everything can change.

The information about improved family of GPUs makes a lot of sense since AMD clearly needs to offer a new lineup of products this fall. Moreover, historically AMD released new products in Q3 to ensure availability by holiday season. However, AMD is also known for adoption of all-new process technologies among the first, which means that a release of new products month ahead of new tech launch does not fit into such tactics. On the other hand, AMD might have wanted to reduce its risks with the new family of GPUs, which is why it decided to stick to 28nm. Finally, expected performance improvement of Curacao XT versus currently-available Tahiti XT does not seem to be significant enough for a brand-new generation.
 
The 1230MHz rumour was heard before a while ago at least. I guess we'll see the 8800's within a couple of months then the high-end at the end of October when BF4 launches.
 
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