AMD Resolves Issues with DX9 Games

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  1. Jawed

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    The tech forums are literally up in arms about AMD's response to the issue of several DX9 games crashing after the Adrenaline driver update. AMD's rep official forum response is:
    "This title is from 2007, so we are unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue, which is most likely caused by outdated API modules"

    Games affected include: Witcher 1, Red Alert 3, C&C 3 Tiberium Wars, Battle For Middle Earth, C&C4 and probably many more (including DX8, DX7 and older titles).

    This is truly disturbing, backward compatibility is the ABC of PC gaming, and the possibility of AMD abandoning older games could really shred the remainder of AMD install base, especially for an API as wide spread and invasive as DX9, which still receives games to this day.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/240103/amd-unlikely-to-fix-dx9-games-bugged-by-adrenalin-driver
     
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    For additional context:

    Among the games affected, old as they may seem, are AAA blockbusters, including "C&C3 Tiberium Wars," "C&C3 Kane's Wrath," "C&C Red Alert 3," "C&C Red Alert 3 Upising," "C&C4 Tiberian Twilight," "Battle for Middle Earth 1-2," and "The Witcher Enhanced Edition." AMD blames its inability to fix these issues to outdated API models. The company's full statement reads "This title is from 2007, so we are unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue, which is most likely caused by outdated API modules."

    And more questions about support for dx9 ending: https://community.amd.com/message/2840491


    http://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7na5ws
     
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    Wow I don't even know what to say... I guess its good that I rolled back to a pre-adrenalin driver. You're right though playing old games is a staple of PC gaming, I'd call this a problem. I wonder why AMD is going this route... I guess they're really strapped for cash... but Ryzen was a big success and the mining craze must be good for there bottom line too. Ah well I was going to consider both volta and navi for my next video card, but if this is true and volta comes out before navi I might not wait for navi.
     
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    List of games growing ....
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ncr3y
     
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    People play C&C4?

    Why??
     
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    What the heck amd you have been doing so good
     
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    The fuck are these assclowns doing? If these games worked before adrenalin, what the hell did they do to their driver in this version to break them?!

    Not that I personally play very many games these days, but it would piss me off mightily if I would want to some day, and then be unable to because of AMD's shitty incompatible drivers.

    I thought we were past this point where AMD's (or well, ATi's, really) most distinguishing property was their bad drivers.
     
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    The time is ripe for DX11/DX12 remasters :3
     
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    it they don't fix that, as the AMD fan that I've been for years, I am not going to buy a AMD card ever in my life again. Even if I wanted one to mine
     
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    I'd just say backwards compatibility is the ABC of PC, just like that.

    The Witcher 1 not working well? (it is my favourite of the 3 games in the series) and Skyrim=??????????? One of my favourite games ever.... If they dont fix that, good riddance AMD, forever, my desktop PC is a custom made AMD PC, and if they dont change that, the last ever for me.
     
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    just tried Skyrim non SE version and Fallout 3, both run just fine here.
     
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    Is it with new cards only or does it effect older cards as well?
     
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    the DX9 games that I play are working fine with these drivers, but it's worrying for a company to react like this to users reporting issues caused by new drivers,
    tbh I remember some newer Nvidia drivers breaking DX9 games not long ago, but they were eventually fixed.
     
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    Effects old cards as well according to some of reddit and forum postings.
     
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    Not awesome.
    Hopefully the necessary someone in AMD is currently on holiday & will kick some asses when they get back.

    On the other hand historically NV abandons old hardware/APIs in drivers much earlier than AMD yet people still buy NV...
     
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    Never heard of them dropping support for any version of DirectX (DX6 or whatever) or specific games, care to elaborate?

    And no, right now they support more GPU generations than AMD. They have driver and DX12 support for 2010 cards (Fermi and beyond), while AMD only supports GCN cards with those (from 2012), leaving out VLIW5 and VLIW4 cards. NVIDIA also supports more Windows options (7, 8 and 10). AMD only supports 7 and 10.
     
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    Did I just see someone say AMD supports hardware longer than NV? GeForce 6 got drivers for ~12 months beyond Radeon HD 4000. You can use a GF6 on Windows 98 to Windows 8!
     
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    Disapointing
     
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