Jawed
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I presume Overclockers is still owned by CaseKing, which does have some stock:
Buy AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT graphics cards online (caseking.de)
Buy AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT graphics cards online (caseking.de)
AMD Radeon RDNA2 Navi (RX 6500, 6600, 6700, 6800, 6900 XT)
Do you care if it doesn't have AV1 decoding or any encoder at all?
Silent_Buddha
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Yeah, the card would most likely just be a temporary fill in until prices for cards drops back to something approaching normal.
So the main benefit I'm looking for in something like that is HDMI 2.1, low cost and performance around or above a GTX 1070.
Lower power consumption would be good as well. AV1 would obviously be nice, but not something that would put me off from getting a card with my primary requirements (the first 3 I listed).
Regards,
SB
neckthrough
Regular
I don't know where you're getting that from, on average it's a 1650super/5500xt class card, and pretty much a whole tier below 1070/1660Ti.
The performance would be no-where near your 1070. The 1070 is 30% faster according to TPU and then there's the corner cases where having 4GB could make things much worse. The 3050 is basically the same speed as the 1070 and in the corner cases it can be vastly faster than the 6500XT.
https://techgage.com/article/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-gaming-review/
Silent_Buddha
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The performance would be no-where near your 1070. The 1070 is 30% faster according to TPU and then there's the corner cases where having 4GB could make things much worse. The 3050 is basically the same speed as the 1070 and in the corner cases it can be vastly faster than the 6500XT.
https://techgage.com/article/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-gaming-review/
Depends on the game. But yeah, for some reason I though that the 1070 was roughly equivalent to the 1650 Super, but it's actually roughly similar to the 1660 Ti. According to TechPowerUp, that would make the 6500 XT roughly 21% slower than my 1070 ... or make the 1070 roughly 25% faster than the 6500 XT.
So yeah, it'd likely have to be sub 150 USD before I'd pull the trigger on one as a purely temporary GPU.
Regards,
SB
DegustatoR
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You expect to use this card for 4K/120Hz gaming?
Silent_Buddha
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4K isn't required. I only run games in a window, never full screen. So to game at 4k, I'd need an 8k display (or a 5k display if I was in the Apple ecosystem I suppose).
I currently game at either 2400x1500 or 3200x1800 on a GTX 1070 depending on how demanding the game is. if the game doesn't accept custom resolutions then it's either 1440p or 1600p. Hence, why my requirements for a temporary short term GPU would be for something with at least similar performance to a GTX 1070 with HDMI 2.1.
I'm 100% fine with reducing settings in order to meet the demands for higher than 60 Hz gaming.
Regards,
SB
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digitalwanderer
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You aren't going to be gaming well at any resolutions over 1920x1080 with the 6500XT, and even then you'll need to tweak settings to get good framerates.
Don't know if I've mentioned this, but this is an awful card and a terrible move on AMD's part. I'm highly disappointed, 'specially with how decent the 3050 is for only $50 more.
Where can you get GeForce RTX 3050 for just $50 more than Radeon RX 6500 XT?
NewEgg has the cheapest „in stock“ Radeon RX 6500 XT for $259, cheapest „in stock“ GeForce RTX 3050 for $639.
In Europe it's slightly better for the GeForce, I saw one for €499, but the Radeon starts at €279-289, so the GeForce is still almost twice as expensive.
You can get Radeon RX 6600 cheaper than GeForce RTX 3050. It's 30-35% faster, cheaper and has lower power consumption. You can get even Radeon RX 6600 XT (50 % more performance) for the price.
DavidGraham
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That's no justification for the purchase of a horrendosuly bad product that doesn't offer anything over it's predecessors. You are better off getting an RX 570/580/590 8GB or something similar from RDNA1.
The 6500XT drops performance on 90% of PCs today (due to limited PCI-E3 bandwidth), worse yet it has only 4GB of VRAM which makes the problem even worse, has no decoder, and it's RT is completely unusable. It's a bad product all over and no amount of price justification will make it a better product. Get something older, because the 6500XT will age much worse than any of them, next gen games will demand more VRAM and bandwidth, especially so with RT, the 6500XT has no future under these demands.
The RTX 3050 on the other hand suffers none of these issues, has perfectly usable RT performance at 1080p, has DLSS to help, 8GB to help, and better mutli screen support as an added bonus. More importantly there is no older or second hand GPU that can replace it or offer the same features.
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I would not opt for a ~200 Watt card only because of abstract fears of the bus or the memory capacity not being adequate in practical scenarios.
IMHO, it's not a question of more or less abstract fears (there are tests that show tangible perf losses at PCIe 3.0 for the 6500 XT, bringing it basically to 570/4G levels - which is a 3.0-card in the first place). It's a question of whether or not you can actually get other cards in that price range. RX 570/580/590 are pretty much not available in germany for halfway sane amounts of money, the only other card is the GTX 1650, which sells for roughly the same as 6500 XT - no RT, no DLSS, no AV1 and only 4 GByte as well.
The more important question to me is: Who is the target group for 6500 XT? People in dire need of a gaming card who don't want to pay through the nose for it, but are able to shell out 280 Euro nonetheless and are ignorant to the fact that prices have gone up at least 50% over the last year(s)? Or people coming from older generations of cards. Like buyers of the RX 570, which was available for 150 Euro with 8 GByte. Only those would not experience a performance uplift across a variety of games, especially when constrained to a PCIe 3.0 system, which is everything older than Ryzen 3600 and Core i-11000. There's missing a link between these groups and their buying habits (sub-200$ cards).
The more important question to me is: Who is the target group for 6500 XT? People in dire need of a gaming card who don't want to pay through the nose for it, but are able to shell out 280 Euro nonetheless and are ignorant to the fact that prices have gone up at least 50% over the last year(s)? Or people coming from older generations of cards. Like buyers of the RX 570, which was available for 150 Euro with 8 GByte. Only those would not experience a performance uplift across a variety of games, especially when constrained to a PCIe 3.0 system, which is everything older than Ryzen 3600 and Core i-11000. There's missing a link between these groups and their buying habits (sub-200$ cards).
Jawed
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There's also the system integrators, the companies selling pre-built PCs.
This starts with 6500XT:
PCSPECIALIST - Configure the Pyro Elite to your ideal requirements.
Their prices don't seem to be so bonkers as stand-alone graphics cards. EDIT: Changing to an RTX 3050 adds about £170 to the price (£991 versus £822).
2nd EDIT: Changing to a PCI EXpress 4.0 system (5600X with B550 motherboard) adds £123. That's something you will have to add to the 3050 system if you want "full performance" from the 3050.
This starts with 6500XT:
PCSPECIALIST - Configure the Pyro Elite to your ideal requirements.
Their prices don't seem to be so bonkers as stand-alone graphics cards. EDIT: Changing to an RTX 3050 adds about £170 to the price (£991 versus £822).
2nd EDIT: Changing to a PCI EXpress 4.0 system (5600X with B550 motherboard) adds £123. That's something you will have to add to the 3050 system if you want "full performance" from the 3050.
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These cards are no longer availabe or horribly overpriced. Their performance per watt ratio is - compared to current products - horrible. Radeon RX 5500 XT is more than twice as expensive as Radeon RX 6500 XT. You can gen Radeon RX 6600 (XT) for the price.
DavidGraham
Veteran
You mean to the 6500XT system, the 3050 doesn't need PCIE4 to operate at full capacity, only the 6500XT does.
See above, obtaining full performance out of the 6500XT requires a PCI-E4 motherboard (which is an added cost), that is a laughable situation for a dirt slow entry level GPU, not even the RTX 3090 needs that kind of hassle.
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Only very small SIs buy channel. Is that a market that's large enough to launch a whole SKU for? I don't know, maybe. Also depends on IGP/no IGP for AM5.
Since you brought that up for the 2nd time, it seems you want to talk about it, so: How large is the perf deficit for the 8G 3050 with x8 interface going from 4.0 to 3.0 and how does that compare to the 4G 6500 with x4?
Do you have some benches to back this up, or are you just assuming 8 lanes is enough with PCIe3?
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