true, but I was referring to message claiming that 2 GPU MI250 is useless.
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Man from Atlantis
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-amd-enthusiast-class-rdna-3-gpus-coming-in-q3
Since when did "midrange" turn into "enthusiast class"?
Since when did "midrange" turn into "enthusiast class"?
DegustatoR
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500+ USD has never been "midrange".
DegustatoR
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DegustatoR
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Feel free to find something newer where "mid range" would land at >$500 MSRP.
$500 was the price of a fully enabled upper midrange part since like 2012 with the GTX680. This then moved up to the $600+ range or so with the GTX1080.
Nvidia is now selling a cut down upper midrange part(RTX4080) for $1200.
If we're talking normal midrange, then at least in the past, they weren't $500+ no, but Nvidia are now selling a normal midrange part(RTX4070) for $600.
So yes, Nvidia have effectively pushed midrange pricing way up, and AMD are undoubtedly going to follow suit to take advantage.
DegustatoR
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"Mid range" is a pricing category, not a "range in the middle" as some people seem to think.
And this category name hasn't been used by IHVs for a very long time now I believe.
AMD prefer to use "resolution categories" lately for example.
So whenever someone says "mid range" to me it's usually an indication that this person doesn't know what they're talking about.
So if next month, Nvidia took the 750Ti and released it again with the name RTX5080, at $1000, would you say it's a high end GPU?
Why are you so incapable of being reasonable?
DegustatoR
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Yes.
Because the segment is decided by the price, not a name or performance or what you would like it to be.
It would fail of course because there are much better and faster GPUs in the same segment right now. Which is coincidentally why there is no 750Ti at $1000 under any name.
Because I am reasonable, and getting mighty tired of your personal insults which appear every time you're incapable of arguing your point with anything else.
Do you want to have another topic suspended ?
DegustatoR
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Why do you ask me? Ask the guy who's derailing another topic into personal insults.
DmitryKo
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In AMD's model numbering system, the second digit defines model range, so 8-9 are 'enthusiast' or high-end, 6-7 are 'mainstream' or mid-range, and 2-3-4-5 are 'entry-level' / OEM or low-end, with '8' and '5' being ambiguous at times. That's what it has been in their four-digit and three-digit model numbering schemes from at least Radeon HD to Radeon R9/R7/R5/R3 and Radeon RX series, with a detour to R9 Fury and Vega/VII series.
So RX 7800 would be 'enthusiast' and RX 7700 would be 'mainstream'.
I don't think it makes sense to go by MSRP. An entry-level card selling for inflated prices due to chip/labour shortages and/or bitcoin mining craze does not become a mid-range card, neither a mid-range card becomes a high-end card. You need to consider the full model range and details such as die sizes and clocks, memory types, speeds and size, power requirements etc.
So RX 7800 would be 'enthusiast' and RX 7700 would be 'mainstream'.
I don't think it makes sense to go by MSRP. An entry-level card selling for inflated prices due to chip/labour shortages and/or bitcoin mining craze does not become a mid-range card, neither a mid-range card becomes a high-end card. You need to consider the full model range and details such as die sizes and clocks, memory types, speeds and size, power requirements etc.
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DegustatoR
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A card selling at a high end price is a "high end card". If there are better cards available at the same price then it's a bad high end card. The fact that the card selling in high end segment is bad doesn't make it "mid range" or "low end". It makes it a bad high end card.
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Unfortunately IHV's and gpu review sites define tiers when introducing/evaluating products and are usually segmented by price, with the corresponding price/performance, price/watt analyses based on MSRP. Unless it is a new marketing pitch I don't think die size, clocks, memory specs or power requirements play any part in deciding what tier a card might fall into.
DmitryKo
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When the exact same graphics cards got like a 2x price hike during 2020-2021, did low-end cards suddenly change categories to become mid-range, did they get the associated performance boost, and did they return to the low-end category once the prices went down?
An expensive high-end card is still high end, an expensive low-end is still low-end, and IHVs are not really advertising ther current mid-range as new high-end. It's just these categories gone up in pricing because of economics conditions and several years of limited availability. If review sites cannot understand the supply-demand curve and the economics of silicon die manufacturing, I'd rather move them into 'bad review' category than invent 'bad high-end' and try to rationalize why this year's supposedly mid-range graphic card offers performance similar to low-end cards from a few years ago. It's still low-end, but at inflated prices.
An expensive high-end card is still high end, an expensive low-end is still low-end, and IHVs are not really advertising ther current mid-range as new high-end. It's just these categories gone up in pricing because of economics conditions and several years of limited availability. If review sites cannot understand the supply-demand curve and the economics of silicon die manufacturing, I'd rather move them into 'bad review' category than invent 'bad high-end' and try to rationalize why this year's supposedly mid-range graphic card offers performance similar to low-end cards from a few years ago. It's still low-end, but at inflated prices.
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DegustatoR
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MSRPs did not change. This is the market positioning from the manufacturer. If the market itself destroy this positioning - in both directions - this has no effect on the positioning from the manufacturer. Unless they do an official change of the MSRP of course.
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