A comparison of PS3 and 360 as media players

[patsu]

ITmedia reviewed Torne.

What you Can and Can't Do With Torne:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/03/23/torne_can_and_cant/

You can do the following:

View and record terrestrial digital broadcasts

Record to an external hard disc

View a channel guide and search for programs

Record while viewing BD/DVD and while playing games

Begin recording while system is in standby

Copy recorded programs to PSP

Functionality for accessing the internet while viewing programs

Remote play via PSP

...here are things you can't do:

View and record BS/CS broadcasts

Set picture quality for recording

Change channel during recording

Play programs while they are recording

Edit programs that you've recorded

Export programs to external media

Play back programs on machines other than Torne and PSP

W Recording

View recorded programs from XMB

 

[patsu]

Sales number for Torne:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/03/25/torne_sales/

According to ASCII, as passed along by Impress Watch, Sony sold 62,000 Torne units over the week of March 15 through March 21. The device was released on the 18th -- a Thursday release, similar to most game software.

The 62,000 figure includes sales of both the Torne kit on its own and as part of a bundle with a special 250 gigabyte PlayStation 3 hardware set. The peripheral version accounted for 75% of sales, with the bundle making up the rest.

 

[NeoTechni]

Well I put an MPEG file on my PSP a few hours ago and brought it to a friends place to watch on their 360.

I plug the USB cable in, the 360 goes into the DCIM folder and lists movies recorded with my PSP's video camera. But not the MPEG file in the VIDEO folder. It provided no option to leave the DCIM folder. It also asked for permission to download an update to play MPEG files. I'm thinking, sure, that's exactly what I want. Go ahead.

The file still doesnt show. I plug the PSP into her PC, move the MPG file over to the DCIM folder. Still wont show. Rename the file to .AVI, will show, won't play.

I get home, plug it into my PS3. Shows, plays, even lets me leave the DCIM folder.

I thought MPEG was a standard.

 

[patsu]

What audio format ?

 

[NeoTechni]

What audio format ?

Audio: MPEG Audio 44100Hz stereo 128Kbps [Audio]

 

[patsu]

Hmm... then I have no clue. Not familiar with 360.

 

[manux]

Am I just being stupid or does xbox image viewer not have zoom? I tried everything I could imagine(all the buttons on pad + menu) and I wasn't able to find a zoom option for images.

 

[eastmen]

Am I just being stupid or does xbox image viewer not have zoom? I tried everything I could imagine(all the buttons on pad + menu) and I wasn't able to find a zoom option for images.

not by my system but pretty sure its red and then go to the maginifing glass

 

[manux]

not by my system but pretty sure its red and then go to the maginifing glass

I'll try this when I get back home. Thanks!

 

[eastmen]

I'll try this when I get back home. Thanks!

no problem. Its whatever brings up the menu while watching a movie. Should be the same button. I'm in the bed so i'm not going to go upstairs to check , but will double check in the morning

 

[NeoTechni]

Hmm... then I have no clue. Not familiar with 360.

Well it wont even list files with the MPG/MPEG extention. And I could swear the update claimed to add MPEG support.

 

[AzBat]

Well it wont even list files with the MPG/MPEG extention. And I could swear the update claimed to add MPEG support.

Here's the only formats supported...

AVI, MPEG4 Part 2, H.264 and WMV(VC-1)

https://support.xbox.com/support/en...dia/movies/videofaq/viewvideoplaybackfaq.aspx

BTW, there is no zoom tool for photos. I also double checked the Vackebook app and the Xbox Live Photo Party app.

Tommy McClain

 

[patsu]

Additional Blu-ray format coming:
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4388

The specifications for BDXL™ (High Capacity Recordable and Rewritable discs) and IH-BD (Intra-Hybrid discs) are expected in the next few months.

...

The BDXL specification, which is targeted primarily at commercial segments such as broadcasting, medical and document imaging enterprises with significant archiving needs, will provide customers with write-once options on 100GB and 128GB capacity discs and rewritable capability on 100GB discs.

...

The Intra-Hybrid Blu-ray Disc (IH-BD) incorporates a single BD-ROM layer and a single BD-RE layer so as to enable the user to view, but not overwrite, critical published data while providing the flexibility to include relevant personal data on the same physical disc. This allows for consumer specific applications where combining published content with related user data on a convenient, single volume is desirable. Both the ROM and the RE layers on IH-BD discs provide 25GB of capacity.

 

[eastmen]

Engadget is reporting that this wont work on the ps3 and will require new lasers

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/03/blu-ray-discs-expand-to-128gb-under-new-bdxl-spec/

at that point imo is that they should simply start another standard. If people need to rebuy players this isn't going to become popular outside of archival purposes. Adoption for bluray 3/4 years after launch is still pretty damn low.

 

[patsu]

There is no need to start a new standard. BDXL is for commercial market.

For prosumers:

If you're looking for a place to permanently back up that super high-res "amateur photography," take heart -- a consumer version is in the works, though it will first be aimed at markets where Blu-ray Disc recorders are popular, or available at all (read: maybe Japan, definitely not the US).

The IH-BD is only one layer, should be readable by existing players.

 

[eastmen]

I guess more to the point I don't see why you posted in this thread about it.

It isn't going to work with the ps3 nor with existing bluray players.

 

[patsu]

...because I am interested in using Blu-ray progress, especially those applicable to PS3 ? IH-BD and the consumer archival version will work on consumer players.

The Engadget article only mentions that BDXL is not usable on consumer players. But it is relevant because we posted about 100Gb Blu-ray disc earlier in the thread.

 

[eastmen]

...because I am interested in using Blu-ray progress, especially those applicable to PS3 ? IH-BD and the consumer archival version will work on consumer players.

IH-BD is simply a 25gig BD-ROM and 25gig BD-RE ? Not only that but as per your link they wont be applicable to the ps3.

Because both BDXL and IH-BD are specially designed formats with specific market segments in mind, newly-designed hardware is required to play back or record BDXL or IH-BD media. However, because the new media specifications are extensions of current Blu-ray Disc technology, future BDXL and IH-BD devices can be designed to support existing 25GB and 50GB Blu-ray Discs.

 

[patsu]

Ah, my bad. Didn't see the restriction on IH-BD. But a consumer archival version is in the works nonetheless. That's the one I am keen in.

As mentioned, we talked about 100Gb Blu-ray disc in the thread before. This is a follow up on that note.

 

[eastmen]

Ah, my bad. Didn't see the restriction on IH-BD. But a consumer archival version is in the works nonetheless. That's the one I am keen in.

As mentioned, we talked about 100Gb Blu-ray disc in the thread before. This is a follow up on that note.

Not a problem. Its my sisters 26th birthday and I'm just back from the city after drinking all night. But I was stareing at the damn thing saying one of is reading it wrong and its not me !!!


Yes the archival verison is interesting. However its my understanding the Dual layer dvds have stayed expensive because of the way they are bonded together when created. I think having 4 layers or so (They state its done by having 3-4 layers. I was under the impresion that each layer is 25gigs... so i dunno) would make these discs extremely expensive and would most likely only make sense cost wise for coperations who are using tape ? I don't see who would really use these. LTO-4 is up to 800GB with transfer rates of 240MBps. LTO-5 is going to be 1.6TB with 36MBps due this year and I think 2011 or 12 will bring LTO-6 at 3.2TB.

Right now LTO-4 is 800GB at $32 bucks. The only draw back is the drive is $4 grand.

So I guess this new bluray drive will be targeted at smaller coperations , media houses thatcan't afford the tape drives ? Personaly at $6 for a BD-R disc I try not to burn to them unless its important. Dual layers are $15 bucks and are very expensive.

I don't think this will be for many of us.