3 m PSP's already sold worldwide according to sony
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That is fine if you want to believe that . Sony however has shown in the past that they jump on the newest control screens . Sega came out with an anlog stick , nintendo did , then sony put out the dual shock . Nintendo and sega used rumble packs then sony put out the dual shock .
They knew if they stayed with only what works for the last some odd years that the other companys would leave them in the dust . Your right that nintendo did well for 16 years with out a touch screen. But that was before they put in a touch screen. Will the psp be able to do well now that there is a next generation control scheme on a handheld ?
Funny , i use the touch pad each and everytime i put on the ds .
As for the nintendo movie carts . I do think it was a gimick . When did i say otherwise ? Just because nintendo did it and then sony copied them doesn't mean its not a gimick
SO your saying you would buy god of war tommorow if it came out for the psp over the console version ? How about in 2 years when it comes out on the psp for 50$ and on the ps2 you can get it for 20$ ? Then add in that you can play it on the ps3 too and that 20$ value is much greater than the 50$ on the go psp which may or may not have reduced quality .
Just look at ridge racer . The controlls are the same on the psp and the ds and both play really well . The psp has better graphics and a loweer battery life . That is the only diffrence . Graphics vs time able to be played
Better input methods ? Your telling me you think a thumb nob that some members of this forum say they try to avoid using at all costs better than the touchscreen ?
Sorry no dice
No , i don't think so at all . Dynstay warriors is exactly the same as dynstay warriors . Few of the ports add anything at all .
Original ds games , Warrio ware , xxo feel the magic , yoshi touch and go , ping pals , nintendogs just to name a few .
Non orignal games , mario ds , ridgeracer ds , spiderman 2 ds and rayman.
I would if metallica released the black album then again with one extra song or no extra song and expect me to pay for it all over again .
How many people own mgs2 on the ps2 ? Alot correct ? You can even get it for 20$ or less . SO tell me if they ported mgs2 to the psp how many owners of mgs2 on the ps2 are going to rebuy it ?
Not friggen many . That is called a waste of money .
Its not a pyramid scheme and its actually legit , cnn has done storys on it and so has time magazine . As such I have never told anyone to sign up under me . I have it in my sig and that is it . I was asked by the other user about it .
IF you play with the bit rates of movies to fit them on a smaller memory card even small changes in quality will affect the final result greatly becasue the quality of the screen is very unforgiving .
This means more money spent to use gimmicks to the highest quality
I'm talking about brand name power . The user base was split almost evenly between sega and nitendo . Please keep up with the convo
Its apparent that your lust for sony clouds your judgement way to much. You hardly bother to read anything i wrote and even had to resort to a personal attack to make your points seem more valid .
I'm not going to bother to responed to you anymore as its apparent that you have your mind made up and you don't care if your correct or not in your assumptions .
That is fine if you want to believe that . Sony however has shown in the past that they jump on the newest control screens . Sega came out with an anlog stick , nintendo did , then sony put out the dual shock . Nintendo and sega used rumble packs then sony put out the dual shock .
They knew if they stayed with only what works for the last some odd years that the other companys would leave them in the dust . Your right that nintendo did well for 16 years with out a touch screen. But that was before they put in a touch screen. Will the psp be able to do well now that there is a next generation control scheme on a handheld ?
You can fit alot of buttons on that touch screen if you so choose and its far more acurate than the thumb nob that the psp has . Don't see your aurguement here . Judging by what your saying the jaguar was the best game system ever since it has the most buttons !!!!
Funny , i use the touch pad each and everytime i put on the ds .
As for the nintendo movie carts . I do think it was a gimick . When did i say otherwise ? Just because nintendo did it and then sony copied them doesn't mean its not a gimick
SO your saying you would buy god of war tommorow if it came out for the psp over the console version ? How about in 2 years when it comes out on the psp for 50$ and on the ps2 you can get it for 20$ ? Then add in that you can play it on the ps3 too and that 20$ value is much greater than the 50$ on the go psp which may or may not have reduced quality .
Yea okay compare something close in power . Half life 2 in my opinion could be achiveable with reduced graphics on a geforce 2 with they physics in tact .
Just look at ridge racer . The controlls are the same on the psp and the ds and both play really well . The psp has better graphics and a loweer battery life . That is the only diffrence . Graphics vs time able to be played
Better screen that ty admits is prone to ghosting ?
Better input methods ? Your telling me you think a thumb nob that some members of this forum say they try to avoid using at all costs better than the touchscreen ?
Sorry no dice
No , i don't think so at all . Dynstay warriors is exactly the same as dynstay warriors . Few of the ports add anything at all .
You post here and don't know ?
Original ds games , Warrio ware , xxo feel the magic , yoshi touch and go , ping pals , nintendogs just to name a few .
Non orignal games , mario ds , ridgeracer ds , spiderman 2 ds and rayman.
I would if metallica released the black album then again with one extra song or no extra song and expect me to pay for it all over again .
How many people own mgs2 on the ps2 ? Alot correct ? You can even get it for 20$ or less . SO tell me if they ported mgs2 to the psp how many owners of mgs2 on the ps2 are going to rebuy it ?
Not friggen many . That is called a waste of money .
I find it repugnant that a user is trying to win an arguement by bringing in such a stupid thing to bitch about .
Its not a pyramid scheme and its actually legit , cnn has done storys on it and so has time magazine . As such I have never told anyone to sign up under me . I have it in my sig and that is it . I was asked by the other user about it .
Wow I can see there isn't much point in talking to you as you don't read anything .
IF you play with the bit rates of movies to fit them on a smaller memory card even small changes in quality will affect the final result greatly becasue the quality of the screen is very unforgiving .
This means more money spent to use gimmicks to the highest quality
ANd mario sunshine sold millions as did mario kart gcn .
I'm talking about brand name power . The user base was split almost evenly between sega and nitendo . Please keep up with the convo
Its apparent that your lust for sony clouds your judgement way to much. You hardly bother to read anything i wrote and even had to resort to a personal attack to make your points seem more valid .
I'm not going to bother to responed to you anymore as its apparent that you have your mind made up and you don't care if your correct or not in your assumptions .
Snyder said:PC-Engine said:hey69 said:
But it allows games to be played in a new way and most people who have played the games in this new way say it's much more interesting than just better graphics.
You know most people who have played DS games? Cool.
Most people who I've talked to at gaming shops who have played both DS and PSP games liked DS's control better compared to PSP standard interface. They said PSP has nice graphics but it's just the same old stuff they've been playing on Xbox, PS2, etc. Now take that small random sample and scale it to the rest of the gaming population and you could get a rough estimate.
You know the great thing about life is you can have more than one arguement .
ALso it may be the best looking handheld (though it may not ) but you can't claim its graphics are as good as the current generation of games . That is one of its selling points . I don't think claiming hey the games look as good as last gen is going to be as good of a selling point as play current gen games on the go
what makes the touch screen a gimick ?
The touch screen is used in almost every game for the ds . How many games use the mp3 functon so that you can listen to your own music in games ? How many movies can you buy on umd that you can't get cheaper on dvd which you can use in more places than umd ?
If you call the touch screen / dual screen a gimmick then all of the psp features fall into gimmicktry (think i made that up haha) esp since none of them further the point of a console system and that is playing games . They are all side benefits .
Just like pda features would be a gimmick for the ds .
The thing with the touch screen is its not just for a new feel but its to improve upon the current controll scheme . I would say about half the ds titles have improved upon the current scheme or done something "new" and about 75% of the games have used the touch screen aspect .
THe mic is a little diffrent with so far only 1 game using it . But i'm sure more will pop up like animal crossing .
It doesn't matter if no other system ever uses a touch screen. As long as its used by the majority of the titles on the ds it isn't a gimmick. A gimmick is something flashy that is used to draw you in . IT is not something that you would intergrate into most of the games for the system .
Nintendo has intergrated the touch screen / dual screen in almost all of its games . Sometimes in stupid ways , sometimes in inspiring ways . But this is no diffrent than any other controll scheme . When the knights pad came out some games used it well and others used it badly . The anlog stick on the n64 was the same way . The dual shock was the same way .
Please tell me how feel the magic would work on the psp and retain any of the fun of the ds version ?
Now tell me what the diffrence is between ridgeracer ds and ridge racer psp aside from graphics and tell me how it affects the fun of the game ?
I agree in some ways . But the psp versions are 90% identical to the console versions and more expensive . Also depending on the game i would buy it again on the ds . Conkers was a great game . I would buy it in a second for the n64 as i haven't played it in what 6 years ? But i'm not going to go buy say windwaker on a gcn portable next year . Way to soon for me to spend the money again .
that was meant to be you can't get a new nintendo 64 or any of the older systems from nitnendo .
You can however get the games for the older sony systems and play them on brand new hardware . THe ps2 or the ps3 .
No , because its not that simple and by you trying to simplify it your coming off as an ass .
Great graphics are good . Getting a game you played a few months or a year ago with the same graphics but handheld and expected to pay another 50$ for it is bad .
Playing a game 2 years ago and then seeing it offered again at 50$ for ap ortable is bad and it wont sell as well as if it was a game you played 7 years ago and could no longer play / own
Don't boil down thigns to simple yes or nos as it makes you come off like an ass and doesn't further your arguement .
Classics to who ?
My mother things the movies from her youth are the classics . To me the classics are from the 80s . Why would i buy something that would let me play her classics ?
To my younger cousin the classics to him are the n64 , saturn and psone , those are his first systems . So he would buy something from that era .
Not only that but most of the ports from the superness are on the gba and those games are playable on the ds . So why buy a gba to play those classics whe nyou can buy a ds and play those classics and the n64 games ?
Once again this has nothing to do with anything because no such system exsists .
Aside from that since this is the portable system we are talking about i would go with the n64 portable . 1 screen no touch pad and just n64 power of hardware and you would get a very long lasting battery . WHich to a portable system is a huge huge deal .
ANd my arguement is the ds has that appeal. Its the psp that doesn't and that is the fact of the world we are living in .
Perhaps . It would have been a)cheaper , b) longer battery life and c ) making original games would be cheaper as the content creation would be cheaper .
Because there are no new orignal games . People who buy a psp have to play something . But how many are willing to keep rebuying the old games ?
I don't think mario ds added enough to mario 64 . But it was one of the original games out for the system so i picked it up .
Ibought dynasty warriors for the psp , it added nothing new . But what are you going to do with 250$ hardware look at it ?
my replys address multiple people , if you didn't notice
I think your missing out on some fun experiances with the ds . Go to a store and ask to try feel the magic or yoshi touch and go . After a few mins you will walk out of the store with the games and the system. Its very fun . People come over and we link up and play and just lauhg and have a good time even those who never play video games
Teasy said:
Oh, Teasy. I'd love to reply to your entire post, but damn, I'm tired and I need a nap. Still, the above quote just floors me and tickles me at the same time. Project Rub?!!?!No, no, I'm right. You've convinced me. PSP and DS certainly aren't direct competitors. Because there's no way in hell PSP can compete with something called Project Rub.
OK, Teasy, hopefully I can explain myself more clearly this time.
I understand that DS and PSP are seen as competitors because they are the two latest and greatest portables from Nintendo and Sony. (I was going to say they are each company's flagship portable, but I'm confused. Is DS now Nintendo's primary handheld? Or is GBA still king? What's a third pillar? I don't know. Does Nintendo?)
So yes, you're right, in a sense, they are competing. But that's a little like saying the Cadillac Escalade ($55,000) is competing with the Chevy Tracker ($23,000). They're both sport-utility vehicles, they both have similarities, but trying to compare their sales is really an apples-to-oranges proposition. (I admit, kind of a shitty analogy, but I can't think of anything better right now.)
My point is that DS and PSP are not competing directly for the same buyers - at least not yet. Look at their price tags. Look at their construction. Look at their feature set. Look at their games. DS is a game player through and through, with titles that primarily appeal to kids and young adults. PSP is a game player, too, but it's also a media device that Sony hopes everyone will want. (I'm sure they'd love it if one day, it was common for soccer moms to pull PSP out of their purses to show other moms the photos from last month's trip to Jamaica.)
Eventually, when PSP becomes more affordable to the kids who are today buying GBAs and DSs, you bet your socks that Sony will be competing head-to-head for Nintendo's customers. (And Apple's customers, and everybody else's.) But right now that's really not the case.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. (I've had trouble with my analogies lately. Better see a doctor.) I was trying to illustrate my belief that PSP caught Nintendo with its pants down and forced them into rushing out a new system, the DS, to shore up the defenses and prevent Sony from stealing the spotlight. I could be wrong, but that's how I feel.
Teasy, that's the difference between you and me. You don't like PSP, but you understand why Sony released it and what they're trying to do. I, on the other hand, am confused by Nintendo's strategy for DS and perplexed by the design of the machine. I feel that at best, the machine is a $150 experiment; at worst, merely an attempt to cock-block Sony's PSP.
To me, DS is another sign that Nintendo is floundering in its attempts to compete with Sony, and creating unnecessary solutions to imaginary problems. I've heard all kinds of crazy statements from them over the years. The game market is in danger, it's in decline, there's a lack of innovation, gamers need new control schemes, etc., but it seems to me that the real problem is Nintendo's own declining market share in the home console market and now, this new challenge from Sony in the portable arena.
It's a little disheartening because I was once a big fan. But as a fan, as a consumer of their products, I feel they let me down with their constant delays, empty promises, spotty release schedules, and PR boolsheet. They always seem to talk the talk, but rarely, in my eyes, do they ever really step up and walk the walk. Yes, it bothers me.
Now, happy Mother's Day. I'm off to see my mommy.
Teasy said:
I understand that DS and PSP are seen as competitors because they are the two latest and greatest portables from Nintendo and Sony. (I was going to say they are each company's flagship portable, but I'm confused. Is DS now Nintendo's primary handheld? Or is GBA still king? What's a third pillar? I don't know. Does Nintendo?)
So yes, you're right, in a sense, they are competing. But that's a little like saying the Cadillac Escalade ($55,000) is competing with the Chevy Tracker ($23,000). They're both sport-utility vehicles, they both have similarities, but trying to compare their sales is really an apples-to-oranges proposition. (I admit, kind of a shitty analogy, but I can't think of anything better right now.)
My point is that DS and PSP are not competing directly for the same buyers - at least not yet. Look at their price tags. Look at their construction. Look at their feature set. Look at their games. DS is a game player through and through, with titles that primarily appeal to kids and young adults. PSP is a game player, too, but it's also a media device that Sony hopes everyone will want. (I'm sure they'd love it if one day, it was common for soccer moms to pull PSP out of their purses to show other moms the photos from last month's trip to Jamaica.)
Eventually, when PSP becomes more affordable to the kids who are today buying GBAs and DSs, you bet your socks that Sony will be competing head-to-head for Nintendo's customers. (And Apple's customers, and everybody else's.) But right now that's really not the case.
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. (I've had trouble with my analogies lately. Better see a doctor.) I was trying to illustrate my belief that PSP caught Nintendo with its pants down and forced them into rushing out a new system, the DS, to shore up the defenses and prevent Sony from stealing the spotlight. I could be wrong, but that's how I feel.
Teasy, that's the difference between you and me. You don't like PSP, but you understand why Sony released it and what they're trying to do. I, on the other hand, am confused by Nintendo's strategy for DS and perplexed by the design of the machine. I feel that at best, the machine is a $150 experiment; at worst, merely an attempt to cock-block Sony's PSP.
To me, DS is another sign that Nintendo is floundering in its attempts to compete with Sony, and creating unnecessary solutions to imaginary problems. I've heard all kinds of crazy statements from them over the years. The game market is in danger, it's in decline, there's a lack of innovation, gamers need new control schemes, etc., but it seems to me that the real problem is Nintendo's own declining market share in the home console market and now, this new challenge from Sony in the portable arena.
It's a little disheartening because I was once a big fan. But as a fan, as a consumer of their products, I feel they let me down with their constant delays, empty promises, spotty release schedules, and PR boolsheet. They always seem to talk the talk, but rarely, in my eyes, do they ever really step up and walk the walk. Yes, it bothers me.
Now, happy Mother's Day. I'm off to see my mommy.
Guess what, people buying a BMW M3 aren't likely to be buying Mercedes SLK as a second car either, but does that mean they are targeting the same people? Not directly.
What Kolgar is saying that there are usergroup x that is likely more interested in product r and that there is another usergroup y that is more interested in u. Just because u might not be available, doesn't mean usergroup y will go and buy product r.
In other words, if PSP weren't around, wouldn't change the fact that Nintendo DS does not appeal to me and therefore I wouldn't buy it regardless. Because PSP does appeal to me, means I will likely buy one at some point. I believe Kolgar is one of those people to that isn't appealed by what Nintendo is offering.
What Kolgar is saying that there are usergroup x that is likely more interested in product r and that there is another usergroup y that is more interested in u. Just because u might not be available, doesn't mean usergroup y will go and buy product r.
In other words, if PSP weren't around, wouldn't change the fact that Nintendo DS does not appeal to me and therefore I wouldn't buy it regardless. Because PSP does appeal to me, means I will likely buy one at some point. I believe Kolgar is one of those people to that isn't appealed by what Nintendo is offering.
Phil said:
It doesn't matter who SONY is trying to target. The fact is most people are not going to be buying two portable gaming machines at those prices, just like the fact a person isn't going to be buying a M3 and a C series Benz. A person who is contemplating between a M3 and a C series Benz might go in either direction regardless of what BMW tries to do. Cost is a big factor contrary to what some people would like to think. Sure you can find exceptions like Kolgar, but it works both ways. A person who doesn't want to spend over $200 isn't going to purchase a PSP.
see colon said:
Well then you're in the minority.
PC-Engine said:
Yes it does - what you're saying it basically that any product is competing directly with any product simply because people have limited resources to satisfy their needs.
Sony is not targeting the majority of GameBoy users - I think this is quite obvious - unless you're willing to argue that the Gameboy userbase consists of all adults that are willing to spend that amount of money for a slick looking gaming device?
Phil said:
Uh no that's not what I'm saying but thanks for quoting out of context. Every company tries to target certain demographics. Does that mean everyone who buys their products fall into that demographic? There will always be overlapping no matter who SONY tries to target and they don't have any control over that demographic. You're dreaming if you think SONY wants the PSP to be a niche market product like the M3. Of course they want to convert GB users over who wouldn't? Problem is they can't at the current time due to PSP price. You think PSP will continue to sell at its current selling price without dropping it in the future? So in summary PSP is directly competing with DS for consumer dollars whether they like to admit it or not.
I agree with what was said above.
I wouldn't have bought DS either even if SP had never come to market.
DS just has zero appeal to me, as did GBA and GB before that.
A portable GameCube on the other hand would have much appeal to me, if Nintendo had released such device instead of DS, I would have strongly considered buying it instead of PSP, or bought both.
If Nintendo would release such soon, I would still consider buying it and use it along with my PSP.
So yes, I think PSP and DS are not aiming the same market directly.
Except those more mature gamers that want a portable, and had a GBA already, might consider moving forward to PSP
http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000193042414/
I wouldn't have bought DS either even if SP had never come to market.
DS just has zero appeal to me, as did GBA and GB before that.
A portable GameCube on the other hand would have much appeal to me, if Nintendo had released such device instead of DS, I would have strongly considered buying it instead of PSP, or bought both.
If Nintendo would release such soon, I would still consider buying it and use it along with my PSP.
So yes, I think PSP and DS are not aiming the same market directly.
Except those more mature gamers that want a portable, and had a GBA already, might consider moving forward to PSP
http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000193042414/
jvd, I'm going to boil down the arguments as they've meandered some.
You: DS has older titles which is more appealing because they're older.
Me: Old or new, if the content is not new in some form, then there is little appeal, DS or PSP.
Personally I feel neither has enough original content..yet(at least for me). I am more than willing to believe that the DS is ahead in this regard. No problem there.
You: mp3 and UMD movies are gimmicks on the PSP.
Me: Gimmicks are called gimmicks because they have not been widely adopted by the consumer. If everyone was using the PSP as an mp3 player or if UMD movies were being sold and viewed by many PSP owners, it would not be a gimmick any longer.
The microphone IS a gimmick on the DS but over time, may move away from this.
The touchscreen is LESS gimmicky but (imo) still somewhat of one as there isn't enough good use out of it...yet.
In essence, "gimmicktry" (yes, you are probably the first to have used this word) is something that can change over time.
You: DS has older titles which is more appealing because they're older.
Me: Old or new, if the content is not new in some form, then there is little appeal, DS or PSP.
Personally I feel neither has enough original content..yet(at least for me). I am more than willing to believe that the DS is ahead in this regard. No problem there.
You: mp3 and UMD movies are gimmicks on the PSP.
Me: Gimmicks are called gimmicks because they have not been widely adopted by the consumer. If everyone was using the PSP as an mp3 player or if UMD movies were being sold and viewed by many PSP owners, it would not be a gimmick any longer.
The microphone IS a gimmick on the DS but over time, may move away from this.
The touchscreen is LESS gimmicky but (imo) still somewhat of one as there isn't enough good use out of it...yet.
In essence, "gimmicktry" (yes, you are probably the first to have used this word) is something that can change over time.
I do think it'll catch on.
I've used the PSP for over a week now just for listening mp3's and watching videos.
The MP3 quality is very very good, and although the PSP is much clumsier size than dedicated mp3 players it still does the job well enough for me, and I think it'll do for many others too.
It doesn't replace your iPod if you already own one, but for reborn portable virgins like me who las owned a portable CD player, it's great.
The video play has no competition really, and is a feature I can see catching on. It's been great to view some encoded movies from memorystick on a loner train trips and while a passenger in a car.
The screen does make it feel not like you're watching some small portable, but like watching a good size tv. Of course all the detail is not there, but it doesn't seem to loose much even with self encoded movies, I'll wait with interest what it'll look like on proper UMD movies.
And music videos on UMD, that's one thing I can really see getting many people interested.
I wouldn't of course use these features if I just go on the town for a quick, I don't think it was ever visioned to be like that but a media player that you take along if you are going to stay on a journey for hour or so, or going to stay on some place longer.
Or maybe my likeing the PSP MP3 and video is just because I haven't yet received any games for it
But I believe when I finally get games for it, I'll still be using it a lot for mp3 and video.
So I don't see them as some superficial addon that few people are going to use, but as something that has potential to "catch on", not hugely catch on, but enough to survive and even prosper.
I've used the PSP for over a week now just for listening mp3's and watching videos.
The MP3 quality is very very good, and although the PSP is much clumsier size than dedicated mp3 players it still does the job well enough for me, and I think it'll do for many others too.
It doesn't replace your iPod if you already own one, but for reborn portable virgins like me who las owned a portable CD player, it's great.
The video play has no competition really, and is a feature I can see catching on. It's been great to view some encoded movies from memorystick on a loner train trips and while a passenger in a car.
The screen does make it feel not like you're watching some small portable, but like watching a good size tv. Of course all the detail is not there, but it doesn't seem to loose much even with self encoded movies, I'll wait with interest what it'll look like on proper UMD movies.
And music videos on UMD, that's one thing I can really see getting many people interested.
I wouldn't of course use these features if I just go on the town for a quick, I don't think it was ever visioned to be like that but a media player that you take along if you are going to stay on a journey for hour or so, or going to stay on some place longer.
Or maybe my likeing the PSP MP3 and video is just because I haven't yet received any games for it
But I believe when I finally get games for it, I'll still be using it a lot for mp3 and video.
So I don't see them as some superficial addon that few people are going to use, but as something that has potential to "catch on", not hugely catch on, but enough to survive and even prosper.
