Digital Foundry Retro Discussion [2025]
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This GTA discussion is best held in the Dreamcast thread where it's already a topic...
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Can't believe that Balzak model has more geometry than ryo hazuki model. ryo still ooks better to me (i thought he was around 4k). PD: can you try to get please the test Drive le mans and tokyo xtreme racer 2 polycount per car? PD 2: learning this numbers makes room to no doubt...The PS2 Soul...
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John didn't mention it, but in the first game, you can actually unlock all of those filters and camera angles for play during the actual missions and not just for the replays. You have to beat the game on Hard with the Heavy Traffic setting (a daunting task).
It's a shame there's no free drive mode in the first game. Any exploration you want to do has to take place inside the mission time limits, which are generally in the 2-5 minute range.
Microsoft owns Activision now. Both of these games should be added to Backwards Compatibility.
The first one blew my mind on the Xbox. It looks like a decent early Xbox 360 game. I would drive around and test the lighting and shadow effects. But nobody seemed to know or care about this game. Glad to see I wasn't crazy for thinking it was on another level.
so, I found some images that describe how retro games looked like on CRTs, and.... it's very different than in today's displays.
Unlike today's displays, which are typically LCD or LED technology, CRT monitors use an electron beam that scans the screen line by line, which is a display method that creates an effect that softens the edges of pixels and creates a more natural image, making graphics look better without the need for additional filters.
Developers at the time surely took advantage of CRT visual characteristics such as natural blur and interlacing to disguise the graphical limitations of the time. This intentional design makes pixels appear more rounded and colors blend more harmoniously.
I wonder if using 1080i instead of 1080p, or 4i instead of 4k would be helpful nowadays to use some kind of AA.
The image on the right is an aliased mess.
Unlike today's displays, which are typically LCD or LED technology, CRT monitors use an electron beam that scans the screen line by line, which is a display method that creates an effect that softens the edges of pixels and creates a more natural image, making graphics look better without the need for additional filters.
Developers at the time surely took advantage of CRT visual characteristics such as natural blur and interlacing to disguise the graphical limitations of the time. This intentional design makes pixels appear more rounded and colors blend more harmoniously.
I wonder if using 1080i instead of 1080p, or 4i instead of 4k would be helpful nowadays to use some kind of AA.
The image on the right is an aliased mess.
I think this subject was brought up before.
This is one of the reasons PS1 games looked better on CRTs. The image output had a lot of dithering that was almost invisible on CRTs since it was smoothened out by the display but sticks out as a sore thumb on HDTVs. Sony knew about the dithering but also was aware of how it would look on the CRT.
2D artists were aware of how their art would look on the displays of the time. They didn't have the pixel perfect HD TVs we have today.
Today's screens really destroy what we remembered from back then. The way CRTs showed games had their special charm.
But I really wonder if there is a way to add some kind of filter that is really accurate to how they looked on the old screens. So far emulations with filters kind of work but I havent seen any that does the job perfectly
This is one of the reasons PS1 games looked better on CRTs. The image output had a lot of dithering that was almost invisible on CRTs since it was smoothened out by the display but sticks out as a sore thumb on HDTVs. Sony knew about the dithering but also was aware of how it would look on the CRT.
2D artists were aware of how their art would look on the displays of the time. They didn't have the pixel perfect HD TVs we have today.
Today's screens really destroy what we remembered from back then. The way CRTs showed games had their special charm.
But I really wonder if there is a way to add some kind of filter that is really accurate to how they looked on the old screens. So far emulations with filters kind of work but I havent seen any that does the job perfectly
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