The 4070 roughly matches the 3080 in almost every title. Outperforming in a single game doesn't mean all that much.The 4070 does better that the 3080 Ti at max settings in Indiana Jones, so?
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DegustatoR
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Or I might actually remember how things were while people just lump everything into one event where all 10 series cards are launched on one day and at the minimum prices they've had over the span of 2+ years.
The majority of people who are telling us how cheap Pascal was had likely bought these used after the first crypto boom collapse alongside the 20 series launch. Which isn't how things were when these cards were launching.
If you set some completely arbitrary goal based on names which mean nothing then Nvidia can do whatever they want.
They can release a 5070 based on GB202, price it at $1500 and there you have it - "a 70 class card beating the previous flagman for $100 less".
Yeah why not? The 4070 Ti is more than a match for the 3090.
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These rumors are like Nigerian email scams. They literally say “Nvidia production line” six times in two paragraphs. Last time I checked Nvidia doesn’t have any factories.
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This seems more like it to me, I think I picked up a 1070 for $350 right before the crypto boom.
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A little trip back to 2 months after launch:
Wow technology advancement just flies, a 4090 has a 609mm die with 76.3B transistors. And in a month we’ll have a card with a 700+mm die sitting on it.
>70 class card
>cites a 70ti product
Nothing about the established Nvidia naming scheme is all that arbitrary, and when a $1500 5070 based on a 202 die releases then we can talk about that.
I never said they launched all on one day lol
It beats it in RT, so it does better in "CyberPunk 2077" too
Also beats it in "Black Myth - Wukong".
You argument is not as good as you think it is
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Yes because a 4070 Ti is a 70 class card. Or did you mean "card with brand name ending in 70"?
If so you're looking for far too much precision in marketing.
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Right but those who tend to remember how great 1080Ti was seem to forget how that card actually launched and what was sitting on its price prior to that.
Also lol about 1080Ti's price being affected by Vega 10/20 launch - with the former being hardly on par with 1080 and the latter launching two years later.
Memory is a weird thing.
Did you even read my comment?
The 4070ti was actually the 4080 12GB renamed after backlash. They were so far apart in performance they aren’t really in the same tier and the 4070ti also cost significantly more.
So in three games. In every other game, they are simply on par.
Well yeah that kinda proves the point. Nvidia started the 80 series naming convention 20 years ago and the “70 class” card has been called many things over those years. So getting hung up on specific marketing names has never made sense.
The relative pricing and performance of the 70 -> 70 Ti -> 80 -> 80 Ti -> 90 isn’t a constant and changes every generation. Using marketing names to identify a trend isn’t helpful at all.
If you want to make a point about perf/$ you should frame it in those terms. E.g. “the new $400 card used to bring the same performance as the old $700 card but I can’t imagine that happening again”.
So you say
So you understand my point and you’re arguing semantics lol.
Tier and pricing historically have been linked so I use it as a proxy.
Literally just look up averaged out benchmarks between the two cards and they’re equivalent with the 4079 struggling a bit more at 4k.So you say
No you haven’t made your point because you haven’t defined what metrics you’re using besides “name”. So we have no idea what you’re actually comparing.
Edit: to illustrate the point further on why names in isolation aren't useful...
The 7800 XT is 18% faster than the 7700 XT but the 6800 XT is 45% faster than the 6700 XT.
The 7900 XT is 30% faster than the 7800 XT but the 6900 XT is 5% faster than the 6800 XT.
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The fact that you were able to restate my point but with prices instead of naming means you understand exactly what I’m talking about: you used to get a lot more uplift for less money compared to now. I recognize the reasons for this but it’s clear to everyone watching that value generation over generation has gone down in recent years.
AMD naming scheme has been schizophrenic at best (see the 9070XT lmao) so yeah I would never go by what they do, every generation the segmentation is changed. However this wasn’t the case on the NV side for quite a while, with the only big change being the rebrand of the titan series to the 90 series.
