AMD: R9xx Speculation

[Squilliam]

580 is going for about $550
5970 is falling $500-600 so they're comparable segment.
5870 is $300
6870 is $250

If you slot Cayman at $400 it has no price competitor and shouldn't compete with 5870.
6870, however, does. It's almost the same performance for less.

That makes an assumption Cayman is starting at $399. It is also possible that Cayman starts at $299 because:

6850 $179
6870 $239
6950 $299
6970 $399
6990 $599

Fits quite nicely as a price range. It also fits in with the pricing of evergreen and actually exceeds the launch prices for both the 5850 and 5870 by $40 and ?? forgot respectively.

Now if they scale price/performance equally in proportion to Cayman as compared to Barts, Cayman Pro will be 20-25% faster and Cayman XT will be another 20-30% faster again.

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

That makes an assumption Cayman is starting at $399. It is also possible that Cayman starts at $299 because:

6850 $179
6870 $239
6950 $299
6970 $399
6990 $599

Fits quite nicely as a price range. It also fits in with the pricing of evergreen and actually exceeds the launch prices for both the 5850 and 5870 by $40 and ?? forgot respectively.

Now if they scale price/performance equally in proportion to Cayman as compared to Barts, Cayman Pro will be 20-25% faster and Cayman XT will be another 20-30% faster again.

If the 6970 is close to the 580 then you can bet it will be a repeat of the GT200 days with big price drops on Nvidias part.

 

[Mize]

I'm saying they can release it at a higher price until 5870 stocks clear and lower it later.
Anyway, I just don't buy the waiting on 5870s to sell argument for the delay.

 

[Squilliam]

If the 6970 is close to the 580 then you can bet it will be a repeat of the GT200 days with big price drops on Nvidias part.

We'll have to cross that bridge when we come to it. The GTX 580 has terrible price/performance compared to other cards so in all fairness IMO it is overpriced anyway. Ideally I would like to see it sold at $399.

I'm saying they can release it at a higher price until 5870 stocks clear and lower it later.
Anyway, I just don't buy the waiting on 5870s to sell argument for the delay.

Thats fair enough.

 

[gongo]

Wowwowowowow! Can AMD make me a more disappointed holiday buyer ...or what the hell! The delay like totally messed up my budget and timing plans....and reason given is to clear 5970 and 5870 stocks....well AMD if ya had not hike up their msrp for over a year.....i doubt you have stocks "problems"...5800, 6800 and now 6900.. all are marketing failures...you suck AMD!

I have a feeling...the delay is just a pact with Nvidia to allow each other...some breathing space .......i am seeing a pattern with GTX460...HD6800...GTX580...HD6900..i have said it before...DX11 hardware adoption is worse than DX10's....(psst...no one should count cheapo budget as DX11 (gaming) adoption).

 

[karlotta]

Wow ... are you serious? You change your opinion faster than the roadrunner.

easy, dont feed the focus groups!

 

[CarstenS]

Ok here's the ton of salt in advance, now:

Seriously?

Are you aware you're basically stating AMD didn't consider providing more than 20% more performance than Cypress 1 year later? Oh, and Cayman is a "< 300w" part, so do you consider they went back on the perf/watt department on top of that?

And, just my grain of salt, but... should Cayman be "that slow", do you really think they would have gone with 6800 for Barts and 6900 for Cayman? Two disappointing series in a row is a bit too much to my taste.

Sure I could be wrong and AMD's GPU team could have failed (aiming for +50%, ending at +20%), but I think my reasoning is already quite a bit less stupid...

You've just pointed out, why AMD would not have another choice, IF (and that if cannot be big enough) Cayman was really that slow: Had the named Barts HD 6700, what about their per/mm²? They would have to compare that to Juniper (I don't know how that math would turn out, but anyway), and not having the positive notion of shrinking the Die even further that they can now convey when comparing Barts to Cypress.

I think, that IF (again, big if) your worst case scenario would turn out to be true, this way they went with the lesser of all the evils they were facing.

 

[I.S.T.]

http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/19965 Not again. ._.

 

[psolord]

Powercolor representative interview from DH

Radeon 6900 series will be 30-50% faster than the 6800 series.

Oh and "no one can compete with AMD" (and if you say otherwise you will find your death right now)

 

[Shtal]

http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-k...formansini-ve-fusion-islemcileri-konustuk.htm

 

[Kaotik]

Powercolor representative interview from DH

Radeon 6900 series will be 30-50% faster than the 6800 series.

Oh and "no one can compete with AMD" (and if you say otherwise you will find your death right now)

So that would mean, assuming 30% is 6950 and 50% is 6970, using TPU numbers and 6870 as "6800 representative", if GTX580 stands at "100%" mark HD6950 would be at 94.9% mark and 6970 at 109.5% mark

 

[-The_Mask-]

So that would mean, assuming 30% is 6950 and 50% is 6970, using TPU numbers and 6870 as "6800 representative", if GTX580 stands at "100%" mark HD6950 would be at 94.9% mark and 6970 at 109.5% mark

Or they also think that Cayman XT has 1536SP's.

 

[Squilliam]

So that would mean, assuming 30% is 6950 and 50% is 6970, using TPU numbers and 6870 as "6800 representative", if GTX580 stands at "100%" mark HD6950 would be at 94.9% mark and 6970 at 109.5% mark

That would put the 6950 ahead of the 5870 by about 20% which isn't bad. Although I cant say whether thats true or not.

 

[trinibwoy]

Or they also think that Cayman XT has 1536SP's.

I thought the claims were based on measured performance?

 

[PSU-failure]

That would put the 6950 ahead of the 5870 by about 20% which isn't bad. Although I cant say whether thats true or not.

That could confirm one possible reason I thought about the delay: take the 6950 to the level of the GTX580.

Presumably, the harvested part could have its clock increased quite easier than the top bin part, look at Cypress LE. Power draw increases, but there should be some margin.

One more thought that went through my mind while reading Cat10.10e notes is a joint announcement (TV, monitor, shutters...), because if the jointly launched product is delayed, Cayman will be too, without any other reason.

 

[Harison]

That could confirm one possible reason I thought about the delay: take the 6950 to the level of the GTX580.

If 6950 will be on the level of the GTX580, it would be a massive blow on Nvidia, even worse year than the last for the green camp. I somewhat doubt that, that would be too good to be true for AMD, and too bad for the competition.

 

[Razor1]

If 6950 will be on the level of the GTX580, it would be a massive blow on Nvidia, even worse year than the last for the green camp. I somewhat doubt that, that would be too good to be true for AMD, and too bad for the competition.

you guys know that 30-50% faster then the 68xx series is slower than the gtx580 right ? Well possible equal on some titles.

 

[ECH]

That could confirm one possible reason I thought about the delay: take the 6950 to the level of the GTX580.

Presumably, the harvested part could have its clock increased quite easier than the top bin part, look at Cypress LE. Power draw increases, but there should be some margin.

One more thought that went through my mind while reading Cat10.10e notes is a joint announcement (TV, monitor, shutters...), because if the jointly launched product is delayed, Cayman will be too, without any other reason.

You got any info on that?

 

[Shtal]

you guys know that 30-50% faster then the 68xx series is slower than the gtx580 right ? Well possible equal on some titles.

I would think in some games CaymanXT would win and in other games GTX580 would win. Overall it would be interesting to see who will end up number #1 for single GPU crown.

Remember Cayman is new architecture we should not underestimate caymanXT.

EDIT: My guess for caymanXT: 875MHz core / 1475MHz GDDR5 256bit ~189GB's bandwidth (Memory rated at 1500MHz GDDR5)

 

[Razor1]

I would think in some games CaymanXT would win and in other games GTX580 would win. Overall it would be interesting to see who will end up number #1 for single GPU crown.

Remember Cayman is new architecture we should not underestimate caymanXT.

EDIT: My guess for caymanXT: 875MHz core / 1475MHz GDDR5 256bit ~189GB's bandwidth (Memory rated at 1500MHz GDDR5)

Basing on the recent reviews even if we took 50% higher than the 6870 its slower then the gtx 580 in almost all games.....