ZDNet/JAPAN: Ken Kutaragi, PS3 Route To Realization

[Squeak]

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CD-I and CDTV failed too, and one of the factors was the caddy.

Neither of them used caddies. In fact, the only console that was supposed to use caddy was PlayStation(SNES CD). Nintendo liked caddies because kids manhandled CD...

My CDTV use caddies.

 

[DeadmeatGA]

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Shit, got confused with CD32...

 

[PC-Engine]

As I see it we are not talking about if the disc has to be contained, but about the cost of containing it?

Caddies cost more plain and simple so your analogy of ZIPs, floppies, VHS, and audio cassettes only makes you more wrong.

I probably could hold it, but it wouldn’t really be fit for magnetic writing or reading after. But naked magnetic discs actually has been attempted, see here and here.

...and that's why hard optical discs don't need protection like the flimsy floppy disks since you can easily hold them by the edges or center hole.

BTW a lot of things are attempted in this world, whether they're accepted and used by the masses is a different matter.

Old 5½ and 8 inch floppys was only semi self-contained, you had to put them in an envelope after use. Sure they were less expensive than 3½ inch floppys for a long time, but look who "won".

It won because of many reason, protection being just one:

1. Smaller
2. Convenient write protection notch
3. Wasn't flimsy

5 1/4" floppies were sensitive to dust and dirt so they needed good protection. They had openings where dust and dirt can get lodged. Also they're read by physical contact with the media...optical media are not. Try this: throw some sand on a brand new car then rub the sand around on the paint a few times. Now wash the sand off then look at the paint

No, but with practice it becomes routine.

Um..I can probably stand on one foot and balance a laptop on my head too...what's your point?

Yeah I can see consumers of the world threading reels of audio and video in their homes and in their cars...

 

[V3]

Besides, how could ANYONE POSSIBLY amass that much data that you'd need to stack discs in piles that are several METERS TALL??? Even the most avid consumer of porn must have some difficulty in accomplishing that. Not to mention the time it would take to burn all those discs, and the money it would cost...

I think some "otaku" would be able to amass that much data over several years.

But I am for higher density storage. Even if it means using caddies.

It would be good, if I can buy several games, and they put it all on one disc (much like those demo disc). That way, no need for swapping or looking for disc.

 

[schmuck]

I cant really understand why anyone would want them without caddies. For me as a consumer there are only benefits.

 

[PC-Engine]

Besides, how could ANYONE POSSIBLY amass that much data that you'd need to stack discs in piles that are several METERS TALL??? Even the most avid consumer of porn must have some difficulty in accomplishing that. Not to mention the time it would take to burn all those discs, and the money it would cost...

I think some "otaku" would be able to amass that much data over several years.

But I am for higher density storage. Even if it means using caddies.

It would be good, if I can buy several games, and they put it all on one disc (much like those demo disc). That way, no need for swapping or looking for disc.

Do you have a 5 GB MO drive? If no why not?

I cant really understand why anyone would want them without caddies. For me as a consumer there are only benefits.

LOL...why don't you ask them?

 

[zidane1strife]

How ironic, even with all of S/I/T's so-called advanced technology and advantage with the 65nm process, just another lowly foundry could match them.

The baseline 65-nm process is projected to move into "risk production"-or the qualification stage-as early as the fourth quarter of 2004, according to the company's road map.

risk production... heheh

STI starts volume production next spring, and will ramp up to mass production after a few months...

These people 'might' enter risk prod. by the end of next yr, knowing the cheesiness of their technics it might be 1/2yr or more before they start anything decent.

 

[V3]

Do you have a 5 GB MO drive? If no why not?

I used to have 5 GB MO, upgraded to 9 GB MO a couple years ago.

Why do you ask ?

 

[DemoCoder]

Both CD-I and CDTV had caddies, but you miss the point. The caddies were not PERMANENT parts of the disc. Loading a game or video into a CDTV/CD-I was a two-three step process.

Step 1: remove/empty a CD from the caddy
Step 2: take new CD you wanna load and put it into the caddy
Step 3: put caddy into player

It was frigging annoying to manage this. You had one caddy, and you had to transfer the discs into it.

Hard optical media doesn't need caddies. Serious scratches can be buffed away.

BTW, I own a DreamCast and never had a problem with the discs, but if there was, no doubt, the GD-ROM format is probably partially at fault. Don't have same process with PS/2 and X-Box discs, or CDs.

 

[ChryZ]

Please stay on-topic! Open a new thread "caddy vs no-caddy", if necessary

 

[Squeak]

Right! This is my last post in this thread about this topic, this is getting stupid.

As I see it we are not talking about if the disc has to be contained, but about the cost of containing it?

Caddies cost more plain and simple so your analogy of ZIPs, floppies, VHS, and audio cassettes only makes you more wrong.

You still haven't explained why a cartridge consisting of two plastic shells and a sticker, is more expensive than a CD-jewel casing consisting of three plastic parts and two pieces of paper?

No, but with practice it becomes routine.

Um..I can probably stand on one foot and balance a laptop on my head too...what's your point?

I just replied to you mentioning reel to reel tapes, what was your point?
Magnetic media could be “nakedâ€￾ if the magnetic coating was put on a hard surface, but it would have lower capacity and be more fragile, same with optical discs.

 

[nonamer]

How ironic, even with all of S/I/T's so-called advanced technology and advantage with the 65nm process, just another lowly foundry could match them.

The baseline 65-nm process is projected to move into "risk production"-or the qualification stage-as early as the fourth quarter of 2004, according to the company's road map.

risk production... heheh

STI starts volume production next spring, and will ramp up to mass production after a few months...

These people 'might' enter risk prod. by the end of next yr, knowing the cheesiness of their technics it might be 1/2yr or more before they start anything decent.

Too bad, what do you think "mass production" at S/I/T is? "Risk production" and for qualification purposes, just like TSMC. And no, they will not enter production next spring, it says clearly in the PR that it the "latter half of the first half of FY2004," which is fall 2004, just like TSMC.

 

[zidane1strife]

And no, they will not enter production next spring, it says clearly in the PR that it the "latter half of the first half of FY2004," which is fall 2004, just like TSMC.

My quote is from another PR, I might look for it later, and it clearly says volume prod. by spring, ramps up to full mass prod later on.

TSMC has shown us what they've got, they clearly stated 'earliest'/'as early as' because they know they likely won't deliver by then... those are their best case scenario, and risk, doesn't sound likel full blown mass production...