Megadrive1988
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Fafalada said:1TFlop+ / (3Ghz * 10Flops/cycle) .... 30 Cores CPU
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there's Xenon's 1TFLOP+ computational performance?
Xenon Information from MS
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there's Xenon's 1TFLOP+ computational performance?
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It's funny how MS and Sony get slammed for hype, and Nintendo gets slammed for lack of hype. Stupid Nintendo, consoles aren't about videogames...they're about meaningless buzzwords like "HD Era" and "targeted computing performance".
rabidrabbit said:Would someone start taking notes and building a list of promises they are giving us for next gen.
It'll make the "after the war cleaning up" easier in few years, as there'd be proof easily available as who said what and was it said officially or was it just funboi forum rumours and misquotes
Does it matter? Everything gets twisted and retwisted anyway, so io'm not sure what's the use. People should just take it easy and enjoy.. the games.. BLASPHEMY!!!
london-boy said:Does it matter? Everything gets twisted and retwisted anyway, so io'm not sure what's the use. People should just take it easy and enjoy.. the games.. BLASPHEMY!!!
L-I-A-R!!!
You cannot use "games"! I want to play with my 66M polys and my 1+ TFLOPs!! Games are useless when you can play with numbers! I always knew accountants had the most fun
Ps- WHAT games?! All we have now are internet press releases to play with hehehe "My press release pwned your press release!!!1111"
Oh and to anyone thinking Sony ain't gonna counterattack soon enough:
:? Let the hype begin.
:? Let the hype begin.
Yeah, and I think a lot of people cried even then. Might have even been the same people crying
Qroach said:
Errmmm yeah it's the same people crying.
EDIT: Rabid beat me to it
london-boy said:
That won't be a public briefing according to that article, so not much opportunity for a hype comeback, so to speak. But i expect there will be one sooner rather than later, and it'll be furious - undoubtedly a lot of Sony people at GDC will be biting their tongues after this, brimming with rebuttals they can't yet talk about
I think MS picked the wrong battle trying to "creatively" put big figures out there. They should have let the hardware play second fiddle, but now everyones talking about this figure. That won't be good when Sony shows what it has got, I don't think - they'll be every bit as "creative" as MS, and the numbers will very probably be bigger.Well it's always been about the numbers, the teenagers LOVE that, even if they don't even know what a TFLOP is. They just think, the bigger the better. Which might be true to a certain extent, but really, we've all seen what happened since the PS1-Saturn days... Seems it stopped being "about the games" when we switched to 32bit.
Micropayments will account for everything, PS3 as well as PSP and PC content. I actually think it'll open the doors for independant home-brew developers to add mods and such, and as such can be a good thing. eg. If I want to create the ultimate Morrowind mod, it's a lot of my time and effort, especially bug fixing and such which is no fun. If I get paid for it, $1 a whack, it becomes worth my while. Otherwise I'll just put out half-baked efforts. I don't see anything wrong in giving a little something back for someone's time and effort, and if software houses charged too much for content I simply won't pay.one said:
About the misrotransactions.
From Allards' presentation it can be understood these microtransactions would be possible also between player - player, not just player - MS or player - game publisher.
I think there'll be some kind of "Live Credit" micropayment service, where the credit is like a currency inside MS Live, not real money.... you know, similar to those services that already exsist elsewhere.
The player gains say 100 "Live Credits" initially on xb2 purchase and logging into Live.
If you want to get for example a new game level, custom car, soundtrack... it could cost you something like 10 or 100 Live Credits depending on the content. You can buy more Live Credits with real money, maybe 10 Live Credits at $0.99.
There'd be other ways to gain those credits too. like competitions etc.,
but you'd also be able to sell stuff inside Live to other players, like your own customized and tuned cars, rpg character equipment...
When you want to sell for example a Lv5 Troll Repelling Pink Sword inside a rpg, you'd be able to to put it in auction, like eBay inside the Live and that rpg. The palyers of that rpg would see that item inside a shop that happened to be closest to your character in game with a value the game has calculated for it, or which you might have set yourself.
A player might eventually buy it for 256 credits, and you'd get maybe 60% of what was paid for it (the rest would go to the shopkeeper in the game, and as taxes for the evil ruler of the gameworld)
The "Live Credits" could also be used to buy games, music and even hardware inside Live.
From Allards' presentation it can be understood these microtransactions would be possible also between player - player, not just player - MS or player - game publisher.
I think there'll be some kind of "Live Credit" micropayment service, where the credit is like a currency inside MS Live, not real money.... you know, similar to those services that already exsist elsewhere.
The player gains say 100 "Live Credits" initially on xb2 purchase and logging into Live.
If you want to get for example a new game level, custom car, soundtrack... it could cost you something like 10 or 100 Live Credits depending on the content. You can buy more Live Credits with real money, maybe 10 Live Credits at $0.99.
There'd be other ways to gain those credits too. like competitions etc.,
but you'd also be able to sell stuff inside Live to other players, like your own customized and tuned cars, rpg character equipment...
When you want to sell for example a Lv5 Troll Repelling Pink Sword inside a rpg, you'd be able to to put it in auction, like eBay inside the Live and that rpg. The palyers of that rpg would see that item inside a shop that happened to be closest to your character in game with a value the game has calculated for it, or which you might have set yourself.
A player might eventually buy it for 256 credits, and you'd get maybe 60% of what was paid for it (the rest would go to the shopkeeper in the game, and as taxes for the evil ruler of the gameworld)
The "Live Credits" could also be used to buy games, music and even hardware inside Live.
poopPC-Engine said:PSP = 33 Million polys/s...
Titanio said:london-boy said:
That won't be a public briefing according to that article, so not much opportunity for a hype comeback, so to speak. But i expect there will be one sooner rather than later, and it'll be furious - undoubtedly a lot of Sony people at GDC will be biting their tongues after this, brimming with rebuttals they can't yet talk about
At least MS said a 1Tflop SYSTEM and not a 1Tflop CHIP.
a688 said:
One's as unlikely as the other, at least in terms we understand
And did Sony ever claim a 1TFlop chip in PS3?
The Cell claims at the ISSCC were quite transparent - you could see where the figures were coming from. I hope Allard details where this is coming from today, otherwise it's just FUD, for now at least.
^^ Here ya go, let the war begin...
Sony said a couple of years ago that they would make a chip (architecture) codenamed Cell capable of 1TFLOP. The chip is vastly scalable and to be used in many electronic systems, among which graphics workstations. Never said which configuration will be in PS3 and surely they never said the 1TFLOP chip would be in PS3.
MS on the other hand just said the Xbox2 will have MORE than 1TFLOP computing power.
Sony DID say, again a couple of years ago, that with PS3 they were targetting (not that they will do it) 1000X the power of PS2. What power means is up to discussion
You draw your own conclusions.
Sony said a couple of years ago that they would make a chip (architecture) codenamed Cell capable of 1TFLOP. The chip is vastly scalable and to be used in many electronic systems, among which graphics workstations. Never said which configuration will be in PS3 and surely they never said the 1TFLOP chip would be in PS3.
MS on the other hand just said the Xbox2 will have MORE than 1TFLOP computing power.
Sony DID say, again a couple of years ago, that with PS3 they were targetting (not that they will do it) 1000X the power of PS2. What power means is up to discussion
You draw your own conclusions.
Titanio said:a688 said:
One's as unlikely as the other, at least in terms we understand
Actually it most people here who count FLOPS wrong, not people like MS and Sony. People like to exclude fixed function flops but its still there and its still real floating point calculations.
Calculate how many flops its takes do 4 persepective correct 4 channels interpolators for example... Let alone 16 texture address units.
Indeed GPUs are usually underestimated for GPGPU work because people forget how many FLOPs you save by using all those free LERPS and modulus operators....