Johnny Awesome
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This is just what I expected. All the outrage for nothing. 
This is a good decision on these 4 games.
This is a good decision on these 4 games.
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Xbox Business Update Podcast | Xbox Everywhere Direction Discussion
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I think it's a big mistake to continue using closed hardware, and once again being slapped in the face. Make a semi-open device, they have the OS already done. I'm fine with them creating hardware, but it's a mistake to try to compete against Sony on the same terms, and against Nintendo, because it's a losing battle. And the days of X360 aren't coming back.
Only way I see that working is if you lock it to windows store & GP.
I think it's a big mistake to continue using closed hardware, and once again being slapped in the face. Make a semi-open device, they have the OS already done. I'm fine with them creating hardware, but it's a mistake to try to compete against Sony on the same terms, and against Nintendo, because it's a losing battle. And the days of X360 aren't coming back.
People can just buy pc or portable handeld pc that's already being supported by oem's.
One reason people buy console is price and that is subsidised by software. And I'm not talking just first party sales.
something semi-open, which is something people dream about, but never happens. :/
Make it accessible with the UI of a console, a UI for a 5 years old, which anyone can use. Then it could work like you describe it, but MS could have a setting to let more knowledgeable people start tinkering and adding support to use it as a productivity machine or a gaming machine on other platforms, with the possibility of adding mods, basically like a PC.
Then I'd buy it day one, if not, I will never have a Xbox "console" anymore. The console war is over and they know it, it's a useless fight. Like they say in soccer: "Football is 11 vs 11 and Germany always wins". Put Sony or Playstation where it says Germany and it is the same.
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Microsoft teases next-gen Xbox with “largest technical leap” and new “unique” hardware
Microsoft might be teasing an Xbox handheld.
www.theverge.com
this guy knows more than any guru or leaker, and he has had a post-interview (recorded days ago) after the podcast, and knew the content of the podcast -which was recorded days ago before said interview- beforehand. Know I think it's true they are working on a handheld.
It's a definite change though. And one they need to manage going forward.This is just what I expected. All the outrage for nothing.
This is a good decision on these 4 games.
Still game by game message and I don't have an issue with that, don't think most people did.
When people say, "trouble is after every announcement the question is it on x platform" that's not an issue with game by game, that's an issue of not saying what platforms right away, otherwise then when anyone asks just say it's right there in announcement. People/media will stop asking once get that response couple times in a row.
Blade was good example of why people was asking "where is it going". And that was VGA's wide reach for announcements.
This sounds more like having a customized gaming shell.
Think they should do that, regardless of making own hardware. But that's still just a PC to me. PC that can launch right into gaming shell or switch into desktop.
Nothing wrong with you not buying a console.
They could definitely make inroads if they make a decent shell and improve GP/windows store. I'm not talking about overtaking steam, but lot of people would be happy enough using windows store/GP as well as steam.
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exactly that. More like a desktop Steam Deck, maybe with a handheld version. The Steam Deck is working fine. I know of super console fans who bought the Steam Deck and use it flawlessly like any other console.
On a different note, the article from The Verge mentions the next Xbox is going to become "the largest technical leap". For that to happen imho, they are hinting at a nVidia GPU.
You can dream of native Path Tracing support and so on, and maybe AI upscaling and frame generation. The generational leap is not going to happen with AMD.Console gamers could dream, but that sounds like more PR, and once again, it's going to be as dull as the current Xbox consoles of this generation.
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There's still gonna be endless discussion on WHY certain games are being made multiplatform and others aren't, even if they make platform support super clear immediately on announcement.
Like Sony's port choices for PC, but much worse.
Overall, maybe the sky isn't falling, but the talk of a 'new generation of hardware' upcoming might potentially be my worst fear coming true. I still think trying to accelerate a new generation will be the absolute worst thing they could possibly do. And the idea of the 'biggest generational lift ever' is gonna be so obviously a massive lie, I dont know how they could possibly say that with a straight face. Hopefully this 'new generation' is still a very long ways off.
Microsoftian word salad as usual. Empty PR doublespeak is one of reasons for dramas for them time and time again. In this "business update" they couldn't even mention those first 4 small games by name from which they will learn so much about growth :S . They looked pretty nervous and whole thing looked designed to appease fanboys.
Did you guys catch funniest thing?
Sarah mentioned, they will deliver "biggest power leap between console generation" Hopefully Sarah don't have on her mind biggest leap in power and price... consumption leap in third party pc pretending to be console or soon damage control podcast will be needed again. For such impossibru tasks, there are often some speak women promoted at xbox, Bonnie Ross and Shannon Loftis know something about it.
Don't worry, For long time they are using "dedicated" as a buzzword. Then there are another leaks about API/tools not ready for launch and part of the power from spec not manifesting itself somehow because pc api parity. Gamepads with new functions too because porting to keyboard...
In Microsoft case, I am also for something like this if only for curiosity sake. Just make those locked yet hardware modular PCs about which you are dreaming from beginning and be done with charade. Would it finally be possible to offer ideal predictability, value, flexibility, or whole thing will still fall apart in the grounds of consumer market like steam machines.
Did you guys catch funniest thing?
Sarah mentioned, they will deliver "biggest power leap between console generation" Hopefully Sarah don't have on her mind biggest leap in power and price... consumption leap in third party pc pretending to be console or soon damage control podcast will be needed again. For such impossibru tasks, there are often some speak women promoted at xbox, Bonnie Ross and Shannon Loftis know something about it.
Don't worry, For long time they are using "dedicated" as a buzzword. Then there are another leaks about API/tools not ready for launch and part of the power from spec not manifesting itself somehow because pc api parity. Gamepads with new functions too because porting to keyboard...
In Microsoft case, I am also for something like this if only for curiosity sake. Just make those locked yet hardware modular PCs about which you are dreaming from beginning and be done with charade. Would it finally be possible to offer ideal predictability, value, flexibility, or whole thing will still fall apart in the grounds of consumer market like steam machines.
Johnny Awesome
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Well, I'm sure the usual "MS-doesn't know what they're doing" crowd is going to have a fit that they didn't reveal every single iota of their strategy, but I was absolutely fine with what they presented.
Personally I love rolling generations and a new machine in 2026 with a handheld that is essentially a mobile-S with the entire S library on launch. Seems smart to me. Sell the S for $199, the X for $349, the M for $299 and the Next for $499. Keep on rolling.
30 studios working on 4-6 AAA games per year launching Day 1 on GP with 34 million subscribers and growing, with the occasional Hi Fi or GaaS game hitting other machines? Sign me up!
Personally I love rolling generations and a new machine in 2026 with a handheld that is essentially a mobile-S with the entire S library on launch. Seems smart to me. Sell the S for $199, the X for $349, the M for $299 and the Next for $499. Keep on rolling.
30 studios working on 4-6 AAA games per year launching Day 1 on GP with 34 million subscribers and growing, with the occasional Hi Fi or GaaS game hitting other machines? Sign me up!
If xbox was to make one, targeted at console price range. Could make it totally unlocked for steam etc while GPU subscriber.
After 10 years they all become fully unlocked and open.
Not sure how people would feel about that but, kinda best of all worlds.
May be largest (however they measure it), but if they go AMD will just be same ballpark as competition. So not really meaning much in the end. Nice soundbite I guess though.On a different note, the article from The Verge mentions the next Xbox is going to become "the largest technical leap". For that to happen imho, they are hinting at a nVidia GPU.
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Charlietus
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Just four games says Phil Spencer, this situation reminds me of something.
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The verge interview also doesn't deny that both starfield and Indiana Jones are coming to ps5 in the future.
They were never going to announce everything at once, nor are they going to port everything to other platforms, but you don't port four games and then call it a day.
Phil Spencer says not every Xbox game will come to PC
After the discussion in recent days about Windows 10 and Xbox being a single platform, as well as the announcement that Quantum Break would be coming to PC at the same time as the previously exclusive Xbox One, we weren't exactly sure what that meant. Were we coming to a point where Xbox discs would
www.pcgamesn.com
The verge interview also doesn't deny that both starfield and Indiana Jones are coming to ps5 in the future.
They were never going to announce everything at once, nor are they going to port everything to other platforms, but you don't port four games and then call it a day.
arandomguy
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One thing I just remembered is also we should factor in the modding scene for BGS games, so I looked those up and seems like the modding scene started much sooner for both Skyrim and Fallout 4. Skyrim's modding tools came out 3 months post release (along with the high res texture pack), Fallout 4 modding tools came out 5 months post release, whereas at 5 months since Starfield's release the last date mentioned for mod tools I believe was just sometime in 2024.
Regarding BG3 I think something that should be kept in mind is that BG3's trajectory isn't really typical for that of an AAA major release in terms of the "hype" cycle. It's benefited more from post launch word of mouth and organic growth, and those games tend to have longer tails. It's a bit weird in that the game staddles both major release hype and indie organic growth. The latter group of games tend to have longer tails, and in many cases steadily increase in player count even post launch.
hehehehe nice find!Just four games says Phil Spencer, this situation reminds me of something.
Phil Spencer says not every Xbox game will come to PC
After the discussion in recent days about Windows 10 and Xbox being a single platform, as well as the announcement that Quantum Break would be coming to PC at the same time as the previously exclusive Xbox One, we weren't exactly sure what that meant. Were we coming to a point where Xbox discs would
The verge interview also doesn't deny that both starfield and Indiana Jones are coming to ps5 in the future.
They were never going to announce everything at once, nor are they going to port everything to other platforms, but you don't port four games and then call it a day.
This sounds me like when you say to a girl: "only the tip" xD. Or "I won't do to you anything you don't want me to do princess". Anyways, at least they are making Jez and Kobrille and the likes happy so they are going to sleep well, for a while.
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For the mean time....I hate to break to people, but Starfield is not coming to PS5, so we can probably close this thread.
You wouldn't expect them to announce everything in one go, would you
Phill said that they are going to explore more games being released as multiplatform based on how these 4 will perform.Hey, if you want to live in rumor land, have fun.
Charlietus
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It's like believing that Sony will not start to do more and more day one releases on PC. Nothing has been confirmed, but believing otherwise will probably make yourself wrong in a couple of yearsHey, if you want to live in rumor land, have fun.
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