Xbox 360: First Look at Final Hardware

Hi,

the article itself shows that PGR3 was shown on this event. Why doesn't he mentioned that? He only talks about one game, thats impossible for a presentation.

Why didn't they go for X05 and reporting from that event? Regarding the biased opinion of the author, most of the users in every german forum think the same. It has nothing to do with some wrong facts, it has something to do with the words he choose, which are very subtle. What everybody sees is that he is counting all negativ things paired with some wrong facts from the past. Then he mentions that the PS3 is the more Highend Product to wait for.

For example:
Xbox360 DRM? What about BluRay? No words from him against that. BluRay is the best in his mind. In earlier articles he talked about that a game console should be a game console and goes against Microsofts wish to get into the living room. Now all is gone and the PS3 is a Highend Multimediadevice which is the best system with much more features. I hope you understand what i am trying to say. On the Microsoft side he claims DRM, Multimedia and midclass graphics (later he talks about that we will see Kameo Graphics next year on PC, can he makes finally a decision?) and then he goes hyping the PS3 with more of that features.

Years ago this site published pure technicale articles in a quality like dave baumanns articles. This time is over.

By the way, have you all seen the new Ingamevideos of PGR3 or the new NBA2k6? Wow!
NBA2k6
PGR3 #1
PGR3 #2
PGR3 #3
PGR3 #4

 

Pls have you links for this? Whats the background?

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60899

"What does stick out, however, is high-definition - and those who don't want it get a nice consolation. Ideally displayed in 720 progressive-scan with 2x anti-aliasing, the game doubles the anti-aliasing effect - smoothing over any jagged edges you might see - should you be playing in regular 640x480."

640x480 with 4xMSAA just fits into the eDram nicely, without any tiling.

 

Hang on. I thought every was rendered at 720p and then scaled, but this suggests (as does the dashboard) you can select SDTV. I don't 640x480 with 4xMSAA isn't going to look as good as 1024x768 + 2xMSAA downsampled, which'll give an extra 2ish times Supersampling, and supersampling is a lot nicer then multisampling.

 

I'm going to split hairs here but this doesnt seem like its a quote from Bizarre that you get 4x MSAA in lower resolutions. Is it possible they saw it running on another display at 480p, e.g. a CRT, and it just seemed less jaggy becuase of limitations within the display? I know that things can look like they have AA on when you play on the CRT becuase it lacks the pixel-perfect sharpness of a fixed-pixel display.

Also, if they ran it on a fixed pixel display that had to scale the image, the final image could result in something more blurry (especially if they were scaling from 720p 16:9 to 480p 4:3) depending on the algortihm used.

Not syaing its not true, just that to me, this one line - and its not a direct quote - is not that conclusive.

J

 

I doubt they'd be so specific if Bizaare didn't pass that info to them. I doubt it was even being shown on SDTVs there.

And yeah, it sounds like the user will be able to toggle the native rendering resolution.

 

Cause in the background of the picture you see PGR3 and all Videos which actually exists are playable demos. There are no Trailers except one from the E3?

This was an article about the hardware and not about whats not in there but in the ps3. Why going to such a minievent? In two days they can get real information on the x05? No i don't think they are travelling there. It's an IT-Site and not a Gamingsite.

You know to which sites i go?

Can you 100% read german texts? not offending you now, but I'm not going into one word, i and a lot of others are going against one person with a big history in bashing a system and also with a lot of technically wrong assumptions. I am not a Fan who tries to bash an Antixbox Article. Man i had a lot to do!

Before saying this read his old articles. he is a absolut hater of the xbox360. And i am not against all things in his articles. The claims of lacking codecs which could be delivered at a later point are totally correct. Also that there are no digital video connectors.

Why does he mention 128bit on PS3? He talks about negativ things on one side and pushes features on the other. You cannot bash DRM and let BluRay aside, especially when pointing to features of the orther side. In some PS3 Articles he hypes it by talking negativ things about the xbox360 (vice versa).

I am talking about the author and his history. I was questioned in this thread an took position to that.

??? My opinion is validated by a lot of PS3-Fans too, cause i am mostly in multiconsole forums when searching game information cause i hate wars in every area. Look to really know what i mean you must read perfect german, otherwise it looks like a plain factsheet with some mistakes. Trust me. It's really biased. Use google and translate the forum of this article. It is a known fact that the forums on that side are 95% against microsoft in any way. But not in this case. That is very surprising.

Not in this case. The print articles are still the same as in the past. Only the online version is totally concentrated on getting a lot of trolls online.

I do not want to get more into this subject cause this is a technical forum. But let me tell you to understand the bias you cannot use a translator like google.

 

Can you give me a link to an actual PGR3 ingame footage were somebody actually plays the game? At best with HUD visible?

 

There is only this that is clear and apparently " in-game "

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9165/Project-Gotham-Racing-3-Update-11/

 

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_2055_en.html

Enjoy. The dev even stops it in the middle to show the crowd, the exhaust effects, different camera views (including full cockpit) etc.

J

 

Do you mean at this London event? No. Maybe if the author name that event. The pics look like an official event, but they are the only with info about it.

In a previous post in this thread i added some links to real ingame scenes.

At the moment i am calming down, a lot of online sites (also ps sites) here in germany already critisizing the articles of that author. In the past they just copied the articles now they've seem to have learned

 

nemo80 please stop trolling.

 

I agree it is real-time. They have shown this 1 million times over.

 

1080i is there we have seen it... Also I think this info is for pal not ntsc

 

thats the reason .
there is no such thing as pal 1080i (no hdtv CRT tv's that i'm aware of)

 

Very true, HDTV have the same standard' across the globe.

Its only the SD video standards that PAL/NTSC applies to.

 

So, is there hd 1080i on pal territory or not?

 

Link?

Go to http://www/.Xboxyde.com and download the freaking movies. Or visit any number of threads in the => Console Games section of B3D.

There are movies of the "nose cam" which CLEARLY have the speedomoter and tacometer; further in the cabin view the console panels are clearly visible from the driving position.

Bizarre demoed realtime footage about two months ago and last week we were flooded with almost a dozen in-game videos.

 

Hehe. Don't waste energy getting frustrated, some people just don't know any better. Though, I'm quite fascinated and amused by the HUD-obsession by some people that is supposed to be the undeniable truth to if something is realtime or not.