"Xbox 2 Patent?"

[PC-Engine]

Yeah funny how they didn't go the streaming processor route like CELL and instead went with a SMP model.

I find it's more interesting that each element in the Cell processor, SPE and the Cell processor itself, has its own local memory near, and they form NUMA, rather than SMP.

Well interesting doesn't really pay the bills...

True, but neither does funny.

No but it's worth a million considering someone tried to make it sound like MS copied CELL because they thought the multi-core scaling concept was a new idea brought on by CELL even though CELL is a streaming processor which is not new at all (GPUs are streaming processors) while Xenon CPU is based on SMP which isn't new at all therefore the date of the MS patent has ZERO connection with CELL thinking.

nice. it would seem to me that Xe's CPU architecture is very modular and scalable, like ahem, another much talked about CPU architecture

Yeah, seeing the filed date June 30, 2003, they seemed to have studied a lot about the other CPU architecture by then

Yep I'd say that's worth a million right there.

 

[one]

No but it's worth a million considering someone tried to make it sound like MS copied CELL because they thought the multi-core scaling concept was a new idea brought on by CELL even though CELL is a streaming processor which is not new at all (GPUs are streaming processors) while Xenon CPU is based on SMP which isn't new at all therefore the date of the MS patent has ZERO connection with CELL thinking.

It's funny that you think MS didn't research what Cell actually is
When a developer like Tim Sweeney expressed his doubt toward a massively parallel architecture such as the Cell, it's very natural not to adopt it.
Also, Windows Server 2003 has NUMA support, but running a Windows kernel efficiently on a SMP machine would be far easier than on the Cell.

Since you picked up SMP, I picked up NUMA. Each SPE may be a kind of stream processor, but the Cell architecture is more than that.

 

[3dcgi]

Who are those inventors and why are there two of them in Silicon Valley?

ATI guys?

I don't know who those guys are, but you don't think Microsoft is confined to Washington do you.

 

[aaronspink]

Who are those inventors and why are there two of them in Silicon Valley?

ATI guys?

I don't know who those guys are, but you don't think Microsoft is confined to Washington do you.

There is a large contingent of Xbox people at the Silicon Valley campus (along with pretty all of the Live team).

Aaron Spink
speaking for myself inc.

 

[V3]

No but it's worth a million considering someone tried to make it sound like MS copied CELL because they thought the multi-core scaling concept was a new idea brought on by CELL

Considering its IBM that are designing the bulk of these processors, wouldn't it made more sense to say that IBM has the largest influence in these processor being multicore ?