XB360 demo pods out now in the US!!
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seismologist
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czekon said:intresting what people says about CoD2 while at eurogamer, teamxbox and gamespot says that CoD2 is looking better then Pc versionstrange
It might, I haven't seen the PC version of COD2. But there are other PC games that look better than COD2 on 360. So it wasn't looking that impressive.
Didn't someone mention that the effects were turned off in this demo? That could be why. The character models seemed blocky and didn't appear to be using any pixel shading.
Zassk said:
Yah, how the hell did Perry Sound get hooked up?
The map is buggy though. It showed Halifax as having it. I scrolled the map out of range of Halifax then back again and the tab isn't shown again...
Anyways... I guess the Canadian rollout is going a lot more slower... You know... cause of the snow...
i was VERY underwhelmed with the 3 games they had on display: Kameo, CoD2, King Kong. They looked like PC Games with ugly settings turned on. I am extremely disappointed that none of them had FSAA nor did they have Anisotropic filtering on. I guess console players dont care much about IQ? Whoever made the decision to turn off FSAA and anisotropic filtering just lost a sale from me. There is no way i'm going to pay $59.99 to play a game with jaggies and blurry textures.
Now about these people suggesting the sets are on 480p/i causing jaggies and low IQ. Surely at 480p/i the image is being downsized and we're getting some of that supersampling AA? As an SDTV user who'll be next-gen gaming on SDTV, there's no reason at all for me to suffer jaggies. I can understand low picture quality when showing a non-native resolution on a 720p LCD, but jaggies? Jaggies should be blurred out to a degree.
Have a look round the back of the XB360 console and count how many wires are plugged in. Should be 3 for wired controllers, 2 for wireless controllers.
Shifty Geezer said:
I'll see what I can find out.
I kind of made a buddy with the guy in charge of A/V at one of the Wal-Marts a couple weeks ago when I was buying some electronics. He's pretty cool and may hook me up on some info or let me have a peak. (the unit is not in the kiosk but in the display case)
scooby_dooby
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Shifty Geezer said:
Hard to say really.
Do we know whether the X360 outputs a straight 480p signal, or is it 720p scaled down? Hearing that PGR3 has 4xAA@480p and 2xAA@720p, suggest the former(however that's a rumour i don't really believe)
If it's 720p scaled down, you should lose some of the jaggies, but then it's upscaled again, so who knows whate the end result would be. My guess it's equivalent to XBOX 480p games on a HDTV set, bad jaggies.
There's also the 4:3 consideration, is it locked at 480p 4:3 and being stretched to 16:9 720p?
I must be missing something, but why would MS purchase tens of thousands of 720p Samsung panels for their pods and then let them connect with something other than component?! Doesn't make much sense, might as well go cheap(er) and get normal TVs which will handle SD signal much better than a LCD screen ever will.
Either that or really push for the staff to connect things properly.
Either that or really push for the staff to connect things properly.
The only game demos shown were Kameo, COD2 and King Kong?
King Kong is a multiplatform title, not utilising its potential.The same goes with COD2.
They should show better games or atleast rolling demos of DOA4 and PGR3
These titles dont do the console's justice except for Kameo which I think it will be a great title and its greatest point is its gameplay not graphics.
Since I wont experience the console in first hand for months to come my expectqations on the games graphics is that it will look great but justifiably not the greatest thing ever considering its a launch title, the platform shifts it has suffered during development, and that the biggest effort was put into gameplay
King Kong is a multiplatform title, not utilising its potential.The same goes with COD2.
They should show better games or atleast rolling demos of DOA4 and PGR3
These titles dont do the console's justice except for Kameo which I think it will be a great title and its greatest point is its gameplay not graphics.
Since I wont experience the console in first hand for months to come my expectqations on the games graphics is that it will look great but justifiably not the greatest thing ever considering its a launch title, the platform shifts it has suffered during development, and that the biggest effort was put into gameplay
seismologist
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Guys, my demo station was running in hi-def (believe me, I know what these things look like) and there were still jaggies. One thing that really stood out was how stunning the intro movies looked. It definitly looked like the FMV for at at Kameo was also running in hi def which was something I'm not used to seeing since even on the PC most cinematics are low res.
london-boy said:
[supposition]
it's not the component connections AFAIK, it was a setting in the dashboard that has/had to be made; supposedly why MS insisted a rep be present for the demo installs which did not happen in all cases.
Feedback so far though has been that even when IN 720p, some games still look jaggie.
We will see if that story doesn't change....as Laa-Yosh had mentioned here http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=606826&postcount=58)
Supposedly, the kiosks aren't officially rolled out completely for a couple more weeks and we should of course expect quality changes and newer demos in the future.
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As I've mentioned before 2x AA and even 4xAA isn't going to get rid of jaggies totally. High contrast jaggies will be there. Curses, there was a great link that illustrated the effect of the AA's but I can't remember or find it.
More important is overall quality, fidelity of image on these HD sets, texture quality, frame rate etc. These should be very good. That is there's no reason for them not to be, whereas jaggies are jaggies until we get 64x supersampling for free.
More important is overall quality, fidelity of image on these HD sets, texture quality, frame rate etc. These should be very good. That is there's no reason for them not to be, whereas jaggies are jaggies until we get 64x supersampling for free.
Right, jvd and i have been emailing each other, he can't post here so he told me to post this for him:
jvd said:
I saw one at my Walmart and I must say the demos looked pretty bad. The picture was poor quality; the color and contrast were completely off and especially under the flourescent lighting it looked quit horrible. That said I found the lack of AA in Kameo to be an eye-sore on an otherwide beautiful game. Here's to hoping that the final product as at least 2x AA.
COD2 looked like the PC version and I think it was a poor demo choice for the kiosk because the action starts out slow. King Kong...meh, enough said there.
Over all I think it is a poor demo disk. I would have had PGR3 and NBA 2K6 (not that I like basketball or would play it, but many would) playable were it my choice. I think this goes to show that the suits in whatever department decides those things are clueless. It's unfortunate that the demo disks for the 360 have not imporved over the ones for the Xbox1. A pity really.
COD2 looked like the PC version and I think it was a poor demo choice for the kiosk because the action starts out slow. King Kong...meh, enough said there.
Over all I think it is a poor demo disk. I would have had PGR3 and NBA 2K6 (not that I like basketball or would play it, but many would) playable were it my choice. I think this goes to show that the suits in whatever department decides those things are clueless. It's unfortunate that the demo disks for the 360 have not imporved over the ones for the Xbox1. A pity really.
From jvd above
I can’t wait as the next demo disc that the ms rep said we’d have by the 15th will have pdz , pgr 3 an updated cod demo and a updated kameo video along with newer trailers of other games. Apparently this will come with the xbox 360 also (though the rep didn’t tell us this ) . Some toysrus stores have also gotten in core units .
I can’t wait as the next demo disc that the ms rep said we’d have by the 15th will have pdz , pgr 3 an updated cod demo and a updated kameo video along with newer trailers of other games. Apparently this will come with the xbox 360 also (though the rep didn’t tell us this ) . Some toysrus stores have also gotten in core units .
ihamoitc2005
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Thank you for pictures. Very exciting time for console fans.
In-store display setup is performed not by walmart workers but by actual Microsoft representatives so maybe unlikely that setup is incorrect. Maybe graphical problems because this is demo disc no? My personal experience is that often demo discs not so good compared with release discs.
Dural said:
Thank you for pictures. Very exciting time for console fans.
In-store display setup is performed not by walmart workers but by actual Microsoft representatives so maybe unlikely that setup is incorrect. Maybe graphical problems because this is demo disc no? My personal experience is that often demo discs not so good compared with release discs.
Welp, just stopped by the local Wal-Mart with the family and there it was; the infamous X360 kiosk!
There was a swarm of young children around it and the bedlam became too much after about 10 minutes, but here are my initial observations:
One of the kids was playing CoD2 when I walked up. 2 words jumped to mind: Silky Smooth. Silky smooth framerate, silky smooth animation.
The resolution was very sharp and the particle effects (smoke) were amazing.
I did notice a fair amount of aliasing, but honestly I was having a hard time concentrating on graphics items because CoD2 is just a very intense game! I found myself being drawn into the action instead of critiquing textures, AA, etc.
This game is not my cup of tea but it seems to be a very solid title none the less.
Next kid steps up to the controller and fires up Kameo. Very impressive.
Still shots of this game don't do it justice. This game just looks like bucket loads of fun! A ~6-7 yr old boy was playing the game for the first time and seemed to have no trouble figuring out the controls. He morphed into that big fury white character with the spikes on his back. In one battle, he was attacked by 4 orcs. He picked up one of the orcs and beat the stew out of the remaining 3 with it! All the kids howled with laughter! Good stuff.
There was just a ton of stuff going on. Dragons flying overhead, Birds flittering around, Orcs all over the place, etc., etc., etc.
Again, ordinarily, this game wouldn't be my cup of tea either. Erm, I'm buying this one for the kids! (And if they just happen to need dad's assistance once in a while, so be it! ) Seriously though, this is a game that's fun just to watch someone else play, IMO.
From a technical standpoint, Kameo's strongest suit is just the sheer variety and amount of stuff going on at any given point, IMO.
I did notice lots of aliasing on the title character, Kameo, oddly enough. When she morphed into something, it looked much better. The NPCs seemed better too. Weird. - Hopefully something that will be improved upon by the final build.
Kiosk setup:
Like the other Wal-Mart kiosks being discussed, the LCD screen was mounted very high. It was definitely setup @ 720p widescreen. The console itself was just stuffed inside the glass case of games and was laying slightly askew on top of piles of Xbox games!
Again, I only saw these 2 games and didn't get to spend much time with either.
But I saw enough to know that I can't wait to get one of these puppies home!
There was a swarm of young children around it and the bedlam became too much after about 10 minutes, but here are my initial observations:
One of the kids was playing CoD2 when I walked up. 2 words jumped to mind: Silky Smooth. Silky smooth framerate, silky smooth animation.
The resolution was very sharp and the particle effects (smoke) were amazing.
I did notice a fair amount of aliasing, but honestly I was having a hard time concentrating on graphics items because CoD2 is just a very intense game! I found myself being drawn into the action instead of critiquing textures, AA, etc.
This game is not my cup of tea but it seems to be a very solid title none the less.
Next kid steps up to the controller and fires up Kameo. Very impressive.
Still shots of this game don't do it justice. This game just looks like bucket loads of fun! A ~6-7 yr old boy was playing the game for the first time and seemed to have no trouble figuring out the controls. He morphed into that big fury white character with the spikes on his back. In one battle, he was attacked by 4 orcs. He picked up one of the orcs and beat the stew out of the remaining 3 with it! All the kids howled with laughter! Good stuff.
There was just a ton of stuff going on. Dragons flying overhead, Birds flittering around, Orcs all over the place, etc., etc., etc.
Again, ordinarily, this game wouldn't be my cup of tea either. Erm, I'm buying this one for the kids! (And if they just happen to need dad's assistance once in a while, so be it!
) Seriously though, this is a game that's fun just to watch someone else play, IMO. From a technical standpoint, Kameo's strongest suit is just the sheer variety and amount of stuff going on at any given point, IMO.
I did notice lots of aliasing on the title character, Kameo, oddly enough. When she morphed into something, it looked much better. The NPCs seemed better too. Weird. - Hopefully something that will be improved upon by the final build.
Kiosk setup:
Like the other Wal-Mart kiosks being discussed, the LCD screen was mounted very high. It was definitely setup @ 720p widescreen. The console itself was just stuffed inside the glass case of games and was laying slightly askew on top of piles of Xbox games!
Again, I only saw these 2 games and didn't get to spend much time with either.
But I saw enough to know that I can't wait to get one of these puppies home!
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