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Pleased to see they say it can run that engine so well, the fact that nobody has the confidence to say it is definitely more powerfull by any kind of margin is telling....
Wii U hardware discussion and investigation *rename
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Money and manpower? You dont see a big difference in Zombie U vs Watchdogs? Zombie U is in the junior leagues.. Ubisoft wont drop $50-100M and 200 people on a Wii U exclusive
Nintendo hasnt been in the business of making "cinematic" highend games for years. That tech built from ground up costs a lot of dough these days. Retro is in shambles and Japan way behind west in tech. Nintendo will stay where they feel most profitable avoiding risks
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That would make it more powerfull though wouldn't it?, if that were the case and they had a meaningful advantage right out of the gate they would be shouting from the rooftops to attract more sales...even the previously spec shy apple boasts about its processors so I don't believe nintendo has been quiet because it's a nice cuddly charitable company out there to make friends and not offend anyone.
Bragging about the specs as if they were important would be foolish - why pull the attention to aspects of their new console which are the strength of their competitors now and in the near future? They should emphasize the importance of their own strengths (particularly what's unique), and that is what they seem to be doing. Whether they do a particularly good job of it is another question, but Nintendo is doing exactly what they should from a marketing point of view regardless of whether the system is weaker, equivalent, or stronger than the current competitor offerings.
OTOH, just because they don't use tech specs in their marketing, doesn't mean they need to be secret. Personally, I find keeping a customer in the dark about what they have bought a bit bizarre. Have the tech specs where they belong, at the very end of the manual in fine print.
Not quite such a broad generalisation. Using BRD means more storage. And there's more RAM. 'As powerful' should mean about the same flops or processing power or ability to priduce pretty graphics on the screen, and so the same performance being achieved now. Better GPU architecture should mean better results in the future over what PS360 can do, making Wuu more powerful in terms of what can be achieved. But only marginally it seems to me.
You don't see a big difference developing for familiar platforms you've developed for minimum 5-6 years, and fresh system with new architecture, which at least partly is completely new for the game dev circles (OoOE IBM CPU)?
Depends on Wii U's commercial success
Maybe they will, maybe they won't, that remains to be seen. There's plenty of studios out there that popped with AAA+ graphics and games out of nowhere, nothing says Nintendo can't suddenly start doing such too, or buy a studio to do it.
I wouldn't put too much faith in PR soundbytes.
http://www.incrysis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=532
A higher clocked dual core spanks a slower clocked quad core in Crysis. Massively. Always has.
Either the dude fundamentally had no idea about the technology going into the game he was producing (and had never run or head of anyone running a benchmark) or he was ... creatively .... generating PR soundbytes that created the appearance of being at the cutting edge of technology.
Oh yeah, then there was all the stuff about consoles being fundamentally being incapable of running Crysis. Until they did. Easily. In a low budget port. Easily.
I like Cevat Yerli's games but I'd punch myself in the cock before I trusted anything he had to say about the requirements of his game engines or the technical capabilities of consoles.
http://www.incrysis.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=532
Cevat Yerli said:
A higher clocked dual core spanks a slower clocked quad core in Crysis. Massively. Always has.
Either the dude fundamentally had no idea about the technology going into the game he was producing (and had never run or head of anyone running a benchmark) or he was ... creatively .... generating PR soundbytes that created the appearance of being at the cutting edge of technology.
Oh yeah, then there was all the stuff about consoles being fundamentally being incapable of running Crysis. Until they did. Easily. In a low budget port. Easily.
I like Cevat Yerli's games but I'd punch myself in the cock before I trusted anything he had to say about the requirements of his game engines or the technical capabilities of consoles.
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There will be plenty of F2P games on consoles next gen, and they will still be developing and maintaining their engine for the new platforms.
We don't know if Ryse is a Xbox 360 game or a Xbox 720 game.
DO we have early dev kit specs? I was talking about the tdp issues with teh r700 series cards on gaf and someone pointed out that what I was saying was already passed in "early dev kit surpassed while underclocked."
I was saying it would be hard get over 480Gflop in the wiiu using the r700 gpu in that small of box. That is great news. Why hasnt anyone brought this up?
So we know the wiiu is more than 500 gflops at least.
I was saying it would be hard get over 480Gflop in the wiiu using the r700 gpu in that small of box. That is great news. Why hasnt anyone brought this up?
So we know the wiiu is more than 500 gflops at least.
You would think that, but:
About F2P on Sony and MS consoles:
And:
http://www.videogamer.com/news/cevat_yerli_on_cryteks_free-to-play_gamble.html
Wii U GPU?
HD 4770
Manufacturing Process: 40 nm
# of Transistors: 826 million
Core Clock Speed: 750MHz
# of Stream Processors: 640
Compute Performance: 960 GFLOPS
Texture Units: 32
Texture Fillrate: 24 GTexels/sec
ROPs: 16
Pixel Fillrate: 12 GPixels/sec
Z Fillrate: 48 GSamples/sec
Memory Clock Interface/Type: 128-bit GDDR5
Memory Clock Speed: 800MHz (3.2Gbps data rate)
Memory Bandwidth: 51.2GB/sec
Max Board Power: 80W
HD 4770
Manufacturing Process: 40 nm
# of Transistors: 826 million
Core Clock Speed: 750MHz
# of Stream Processors: 640
Compute Performance: 960 GFLOPS
Texture Units: 32
Texture Fillrate: 24 GTexels/sec
ROPs: 16
Pixel Fillrate: 12 GPixels/sec
Z Fillrate: 48 GSamples/sec
Memory Clock Interface/Type: 128-bit GDDR5
Memory Clock Speed: 800MHz (3.2Gbps data rate)
Memory Bandwidth: 51.2GB/sec
Max Board Power: 80W
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No. Too powerful.
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Correct wayyy too powerfull....if those early game showings were running that hd 4770 at that speed then they would look twice as good imo.
That gpu at that speed is about 3 times the performance of xenos...no chance.
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Of course you can, early demoes of new hardware almost always look in a different planet straight away.
The point is not that they might be able to make games 20% better graphics than ps360 after a couple of years...that's pointless and current generation, next generation hardware gets its tag from being on a different playing field from what has been seen before....sorry but this doesn't look that way.
Personally from what I have seen it looks to be on a hd 4570 class gpu, probably with some specialised fixed function hardware and different frequency and memory combinations to make it perform better.
Hd 4570 only has 80 stream processors but they are a different generation to xenos and much more effective. Plus the higher clock speeds and other features I honestly think that's what we are looking at...
The point is not that they might be able to make games 20% better graphics than ps360 after a couple of years...that's pointless and current generation, next generation hardware gets its tag from being on a different playing field from what has been seen before....sorry but this doesn't look that way.
Personally from what I have seen it looks to be on a hd 4570 class gpu, probably with some specialised fixed function hardware and different frequency and memory combinations to make it perform better.
Hd 4570 only has 80 stream processors but they are a different generation to xenos and much more effective. Plus the higher clock speeds and other features I honestly think that's what we are looking at...
Only in consoles aiming at a new tier of performance, which Nintendo isn't doing. There wasn't any great discernible leap in Wii over Gamecube, because this step was quite literally only +50% more CPU/GPU grunt, and one and a third times more memory, and the extra RAM had very little impact due to the heavy focus on casual, while with Gamecube Ninty was still trying to capture real console gamers.
Arguably, the original Metroid Prime for the lowly gamecube actually looked better than MP:Corruption for Wii...
Yet, the hardware in Wii IS more powerful, this is undisputable. So going purely from launch games as a measure is logically a non-starter.
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I never said it wasn't more powerfull and what you have said about them not aiming for a different tier backs up what I have said about current gen.
If it is a modified hd 4570 (which I now expec) it may turn out to be more powerfull in a number of areas over time...but we will be talking about 20-50% tops....nice but hardly next generation is it?
For a console that's arriving 7 years down the road that kind of performance increase is not acceptable...unless it's priced accordingly..(£199)
If wuu launches with a noticeable 50% performance increase to the main screen and launches at that price then I might well consider it.
If it is a modified hd 4570 (which I now expec) it may turn out to be more powerfull in a number of areas over time...but we will be talking about 20-50% tops....nice but hardly next generation is it?
For a console that's arriving 7 years down the road that kind of performance increase is not acceptable...unless it's priced accordingly..(£199)
If wuu launches with a noticeable 50% performance increase to the main screen and launches at that price then I might well consider it.
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