Who will have the most impressive showing at E3?

Who will have the most impressive showing at E3?

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MS will, should, have the most impressive showing at E3.
They're bound to a Q4 2005 release and they have delivered devkits to developers a long time ago.
Of course Sony will have some cool stuff for the PS2/PSP, but playable next-gen games are a hell lot better, that's for sure.
 
Playable games are nice and all, but to the uninformed/unwashed masses/"scrub journalists" a brief glimpse of a bunch of playable Xenon/Xbox2 game might not look as impressive as a couple of offline-rendered concept trailers of some games that Sony makes a lot of promises about.

Personally I feel that E3 is mostly about impressions and promises these days, so Sony/Nintendo can win that round if MS only shows early versions of their nextgen titles.
 
Johnny_Physics said:
Playable games are nice and all, but to the uninformed/unwashed masses/"scrub journalists" a brief glimpse of a bunch of playable Xenon/Xbox2 game might not look as impressive as a couple of offline-rendered concept trailers of some games that Sony makes a lot of promises about.

Personally I feel that E3 is mostly about impressions and promises these days, so Sony/Nintendo can win that round if MS only shows early versions of their nextgen titles.

I agree. Everything about Xenon will be revealed and seen so the mystery aspect will dissappear. Of course this all depends on how much Nintendo and SONY reveals too.
 
You figure Gates will introduce Xenon, right?

They should have the most number of games to show and the most polished builds at that point.

PSP titles will be of mild interest but it's the next-gen consoles that will be the main part of the show. Certainly MS can't be showing too much for the Xbox at this point.

Are there big titles for the PS2 for this fall/winter?
 
wco81 said:
You figure Gates will introduce Xenon, right?

They should have the most number of games to show and the most polished builds at that point.

PSP titles will be of mild interest but it's the next-gen consoles that will be the main part of the show. Certainly MS can't be showing too much for the Xbox at this point.
MS should have games that are at an advanced stage of development, if not only to show the power of XNA. Still, I do believe none of the three will have them but on the stage, on "closed" occasions during those keynote speeches or whatever they are called at E3.
Are there big titles for the PS2 for this fall/winter?
I cant think of anything else than FFXII, and maybe that Wanda and the Colossus game, although I wouldn't call it a "big" title as it might lack a massmarket appeal.
It feels much the same as when PS2 was revealed. The only really big game at that time coming for PSOne was Final Fantasy IX.
 
As the PS3 GPU is not completed (or most likely the Rev GPU for that matter) Sony and Nintendo will either be showing concept work (i.e. rendered "game" footage) or "examples" of what the system "can do" on emulation hardware.

It always works that way. Not a big deal. But I have to agree with Johnny in that I fully expect certain game journalists (insert usual suspects), who cater to the 14yo demographic, to pronounce such such media as the "death" of the other competitors.

Being the first to release has pros and cons, and unless MS shows a pretty awesome hand (Halo 3 trailer, fully playable PD 0, next gen Madden, next gen racer, etc...) and really shows WHY consumers should get an X2, Nin and Sony could steal a lot of thunder.

Since MS has been pretty quiet on X2, and so far they have only "talked" it is time for them to show. X2 has my interest, but I am like a lot of consumers--prove to me all the talk is resulting in quality software.

Anyhow, I see E3 going down like this:

Sony: Major focus on PSP. PS3 behind closed doors, name and 2006 launch date anounced. Only video loops showed to the public, no playable games. Basic specs announced, more info to come in "fall of 2005". A prototype is shown of the design and of a revised controller, but nothing is finalized. PS3 will have wireless, USB, Ethernet, a camera, microphone, and a HD all standard. But again PSP will be the focus, just enough of PS3 will be shown to distract gamers and get them excited about 2006 because, "2005 is too soon". Sony allows 3rd parties to carry the day for the PS2 release lineup until the PS3 hits... which is not all bad because PS2 has a lot of support. Overall strong showing, but nothing ground breaking. Sony is happy to confirm their status as market leader and does nothing to take away from this view.

Nintendo: NDS & LoZ rule Nintendos booth. Nintendo focuses on how they are recruiting more developers for their handheld. BIG talk about their wireless plans. "In the past we have been the first to dabble in online [see: S. Famcom horse racing in Japan]. Until now we have not seen it as a profitable venture or providing what gamers really want... until now". Focus on NDS wireless plans and how it will interact with the Revolution. Revs "revolutionary" aspects are not shown, only small teasers of some games, notably Mario128. And then LoZ... and lots of LoZ. LoZ everywhere. Nintendo announces 20M GCN sold world wide and with the help of blockbuster titles like LoZ that they plan to match total N64 console sales (~32-34M) by the end of 2006. Nintendo has a great show, as usual, but the spotty lineup hurts. Nintendo also shows very little about what to expect in the summer or in winter/spring/summer 2006. With the lid still tight on Revolution, E3 2005 is more about lightly wetting our mouths and talking up Nintendo's success than about the future... which they promise will be in full force next year.

MS: MS spills the beans. While X2 wows the press and casual gamers while hardcore "l3371" forums across the globe stick their noses in the air and say, "Only 3 processors? PS3 has 9! Sony pnwed MS!!!111" Xbox will have a 550MHz ATi GPU with ~11MB of eDRAM, a tricore IBM CPU at 3.2GHz, 12x DVD, and 256MB of shared ram. X2 will NOT be backwards compatible. MS focuses on a "total system" approach and emphasizes their software and the tools they are providing developers to make better games. To prove it they show stunning (by console standards) trailers of Halo 3 and a Forza sequal. PC gamers stick their noses up in the air. MS then shows PD0, and while it looks like a great trailer audiances become estatic when they realize it is live game footage. MS plays down the lack of HDD as a standard, but focuses on flash memory and the HDD addon for TiVo like functions and micro transactions. After the wave of excitement wears off people ask, "Is that it? Is that all the games for X2?" Typical of launches, X2 is slated to have 5 launch titles and 18 titles released by the end of 2005, with over 100 games slated for the end of 2006. MS also shows a great version of Conker's and no one really notices because they are all to busy playing PD0.

Yes, I made all of that up. Basically I am expecting E3 to be memorable, but I see Sony/Nintendo not spreading themselves to thin and instead focusing on their 2005 console games and their portable platforms. I see MS showing some really neat stuff, but 1) high end PC games and 2) the Sony/Nin videos take a bit of the wind of their real games. A couple X2 games wow, but for the most part it is more evolutionary. The Xbox scene is pretty quiet. MS will have the HW of the show and tie for best game (PD0 with LoZ). Current MS console owners will be excited about what X2 offers in Live! and new features, and hard core gamers are excited about Halo 3, for the most part they make very little ground based on a small release lineup. MS promises that 2006 will be a huge year with the 100+ game library... but the fact a lot of developers are aiming for 2006 is pretty clear. The "Halo 3 -- 2006" video is the difference between an impressive and unimpressive E3 debut for X2.

Ps- I am going to be totally wrong, just watch ;)
 
PC-Engine said:
Acert93, do you by any chance write for a website or magazine? :p

Ha... I wish... or, well, maybe I don't wish ;) Either way, no. I type fast and enjoy games and talking about it. Kind of a hobby I guess. I did, a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, ran a small online gaming magazine with a friend. But we sold it when we went off to college. One of those stupid-fun things teens do to keep themselves out of trouble :) Instead of being addicted to drugs I have an addiction to games. :?

Now days I only annoy people on forums ;)
 
Are there big titles for the PS2 for this fall/winter?

There are always big titles coming on PS2, that’s the beauty about it.

Some of the coming heavy weights are:
FF12
Kingdom Hearts 2
Dragon Quest 8
Castlevenia
Soul Caliber 3
Wining Eleven online

Expected hits:
Shadow of the Colossus
Black
Darckwatch (cross-platform?)
Enthusia
TOCA
Dead to Rights 2
Namco X Capcom
24
A bunch of Capcom actions like Beat Down

Cross-platform offerings:
Splinter Cell 4
Prince of Persia 3 (+ one for PSP)
Midnight Club 3: DUB (+ one for PSP)
Burnout 4
Including the usual sports titles.
 
Acert93 said:
Now days I only annoy people on forums ;)
And you're pretty good at that! :D

Err... I mean your posts are interesting, albeit a bit long... Err, Interesting, that's what I mean...

:p ;)
 
Acert93 said:
A lot of words


You brought up something that I forgot to even think about, namely that Sony and Nintendo will have to survive on their current gen consoles until their nextgen offering arrives, sounds obvious enough, but there's a potential problem with bringing out the big guns to battle Xenon/MS at E3.

If the big three tries to outperform each other with outrageously awesome showings it will leave gamers and journalists slobbering for the next generation.
So if gamers and journalists CRAVE anything nextgen, they might just pick up the first system that arrives on the market just to get a taste of what the future has to offer, and via word of mouth/peer hype that behaviour might rub off on the general public to some extent.
And if the general public gets on the hype train and starts to buy Xenons(it's not entirely unlikely in the context of this scenario, after all, it's probably released around the holidays and that's the time of year that people buy stuff just for the sake of buying) that might be a potentially lost sale of a Revolution/Playstation 3(the casual gamers/general public tends to buy one console and stay monogamous as long as the titles coming out for it satisfies them, or until the other consoles have dropped a fair bit in price).

What I mean is that Sony/Ninty might just think twice before they start to roll out the serious hype for PS3/Revolution, as a strong showing might just inadvertently play customers into the hands of Microsoft. Perhaps Sony/Ninty will have a showing that isn't based around fluff, flair and hype because of this - perhaps they'll focus more on solid things like dev-tools, console features, implications of the hardware and what the future holds for developers and gamers alike.

But the big question is, and we'll pretend that something like this is possible, when will Sony/Nintendo get the chance to really blow our socks off by revealing their goods assuming that they are trying to release their systems during Q1/Q2 2006? Nintendo can probably do it at Spaceworld, but what will Sony do? ECTS? :LOL:
Will Sony just ignore MS and rely on people sticking to the Playstation-brand and go balls out at E3? What options do they have?

But this is, of course, just baseless speculation, a simple thought to toy around with.
I'm limited in my use of english so I can't really articulate what I'm really thinking here, but I hope that someone grasps the concept of what I'm talking about.
 
Johnny said:
You brought up something that I forgot to even think about, namely that Sony and Nintendo will have to survive on their current gen consoles until their nextgen offering arrives, sounds obvious enough, but there's a potential problem with bringing out the big guns to battle Xenon/MS at E3.

If the big three tries to outperform each other with outrageously awesome showings it will leave gamers and journalists slobbering for the next generation.

Yep. Nintendo and Sony have other fish to fry also. They want to make money on the PS2/GCN until fall 2006 and they also have portables. If they get everyone excited about the next gen... in 2005, excited consumers may jump on the X2 if it is impressive.

I am one of those. For the first time my buying decision is up in the air. I have always gotten a Nintendo console because I love Nintendo games + whatever else has great games (usually when the price on the unit/games are cheaper). But Rev and Nintendo's direction has me in "wait and see" mode. If PS3 fails to impress me and MS shows that X2 will have a lot of support I could be an early X2 adopter. If PS3 blows X2 out of the water in the quality of ingame footage (not trailers) and shows that not only developers are supporting it, but the development tools will allow a constant stream of AAA titles then I will lean toward a PS3.
 
Xbox 2 would have to have much better games to convince me to get it at launch, Perfect Dark Zero at launch and fantastic would fit that bill.

If Nintendo shows me they can still make or finance great multiplayer games like they did towards the end of the N64 and beginning of GameCube and they have online play, I'll get a Revolution. If they show something akin to Kirby Air Ride, and Microsoft has a great showing with Rare, I say bye bye Nintendo.

I don't think Sony could convince me to get their system. It's be interesting it they got exclusive(and good) support from Sega though, most people probably wouldn't care, but a Rare versus Nintendo versus Sega matchup would make me really giddy, at least if they can all regain their former glories.(for some reason PS2 titles tend not to interest me, the game I want most on PS2 that's actually exclusive to PS2 is Katamari Damacy)
 
I think Xenon will impress as for as graphics are concerned, but I think the games shown will have to impress even more when it comes to gameplay. If the games come off as nothing more than prettier versions of what we have today on current consoles, then they'll have a problem.
 
Whoever has Battlefield 2, and not the cheap BF Modern Combat waterd down junk, gets my $ ;)
 
z said:
Are there big titles for the PS2 for this fall/winter?

There are always big titles coming on PS2, that’s the beauty about it.

Some of the coming heavy weights are:
FF12
Kingdom Hearts 2
Dragon Quest 8
Castlevenia
Soul Caliber 3
Wining Eleven online

Expected hits:
Shadow of the Colossus
Black
Darckwatch (cross-platform?)
Enthusia
TOCA
Dead to Rights 2
Namco X Capcom
24
A bunch of Capcom actions like Beat Down

Cross-platform offerings:
Splinter Cell 4
Prince of Persia 3 (+ one for PSP)
Midnight Club 3: DUB (+ one for PSP)
Burnout 4
Including the usual sports titles.



Heavenly Sword
DOA4

Black is also scheduled to be a X-Box 360 release. At least that has been claimed.


EA will have a big show. New technology from X-Box 360 combined with proven franchises like Madden, Battlefield 2, Need for Speed, and Burnout 4 are sure to impress.
 
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