When does Next-Gen stop being Next?

[Nicked]

Umm I believe I argued about that, Almasy said that Next Gen begins with the launch of PS3, because X360 software isn't good enough. I thought he was trolling so I argued about it, maybe he has a point, but I still disagree.

Uh. He said that the majority of X360 software is quick ports, and it is (the commonly held view). Note the word majority there. Hence some software = next-gen (hi PGR3). Hence people are expecting great things of second-gen X360 games.

You never argued that either. You never argued anything with him. You accused him and that was all.

 

[Tap In]

From past experience, read: ps2/dreamcast, next gen becomes current gen when the first next gen system arrives. So now that the 360 is here it would only be proper to say that (when talking about the cosoles in general) the ps2, xbox, and gamecube are last gen. But if you are talking about a specific company's product, ie ps2 vs ps3, then you can still say next gen because the ps3 hasn't been released yet.

agreed

 

[scooby_dooby]

But is not FN3 current-gen by this argument?

Well...as my memory serves, FN was unquestionably 'next gen' when it was presented as a ps3 'exclusive' at E3 2005, so what has changed?

The argument was that the software was not quite next-gen yet, well you can't deny that Fight Night 3 is next gen, so by HIS argument, next gen starts without question, Feb 28th.

 

[Nicked]

Well...as my memory serves, FN was unquestionably 'next gen' when it was presented as a ps3 'exclusive' at E3 2005, so what has changed?

The argument was that the software was not quite next-gen yet, well you can't deny that Fight Night 3 is next gen, so by HIS argument, next gen starts without question, Feb 28th.

Once again its got nothing to do with PS3/Xbox360 arguments....

No, if Fight Night 3 is next-gen, but next-gen is here, and you want to say that next-gen starts with Xbox360 definitively, then FN3 is current-gen, as the Xbox360 is current-gen. By your standard.
Yes, by his, when FN3 is released, its going to be current-gen anyway, but not before that. Unless you want to count media or the demo, in which next-gen is here and current, hence current-gen.

Its confusing and indistinct as I said.

 

[scooby_dooby]

Ahh, you're simply mixing up my argument with his, or maybe I mized it up....

My argument: FN3 is current gen by my argument, because PS2 and XBOX are already last gen. yes.

His Argument: Next gen doesn't start till nextgen software arrives, therefore FN3 will signal the beginning of next gen. At which point, it will instantaneously become current-gen!

That's not confusing at all!

 

[Powderkeg]

Can you link to the announcement of the PS3 launch titles please.

Do I really need to?

Seriously, do you expect more than 3 first party titles at launch? Do you really expect a lot of 3rd party exclusives at launch?

Be realistic. What are the odds that more than 2-3 launch titles will be PS3 exclusives? What are the odds that 1st and 3rd party developers are all going to get together and blow their collective wads right at launch?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Do I really need to?

Yes, if you're going to talk absolute values like...

Why? Because the moment the PS3 is released 80% of it's launch titles will be Xbox 360 ports?

You expect, believe, in your opinion, that probably, something like 80% of titles will be XB360 ports. You have reasons, that well may be correct. But it's not absolute and shouldn't be presented as such, unless you actually have a list of PS3 launch titles. For one thing, if only 6 titles launch on PS3, and 3 are exclusives, you're on 50% ports. And in the context of Almasy's argument, when PS3 releases we'll be seeing XB360 and PS3 games designed as cross platform with disregard for G2 machines, so some of those games won't be 'current-gen' (G2) ports, tarted up old-tech games, but targetted at 'next-gen' G3 hardware. When there's a larger G3 installed base, the software is more likely to be targetted at G3.

 

[Powderkeg]

Yes, if you're going to talk absolute values like...

Why? Because the moment the PS3 is released 80% of it's launch titles will be Xbox 360 ports?

You expect, believe, in your opinion, that probably, something like 80% of titles will be XB360 ports. You have reasons, that well may be correct. But it's not absolute and shouldn't be presented as such, unless you actually have a list of PS3 launch titles.

Hey, I think I'll play the same game. Do you have anything that suggest ANY exclusives will be available at launch? Any proof at all?

Because I can ASSUME that there will be ZERO exclusives just as easily as you can assume there will be more than 20%. Since you seem to be convinced that more than 20%, why don't you try to prove me wrong, instead of asking me to prove myself right?



Personally, I think that attitude is retarded, but if that suits you I can play that game all day long.


Or, since, the best you can come up with is an arguement of semantics, let's me fix this whole issue....

"Why? Because the moment the PS3 is released PROBABLY 80% of it's launch titles will be Xbox 360 ports?"


There you go. All fixed. Feel better now, or do you have some other little trivial bullshit issue you want to have a hissy-fit over?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Hey, I think I'll play the same game. Do you have anything that suggest ANY exclusives will be available at launch? Any proof at all?

No, and I've never claimed otherwise.

Or, since, the best you can come up with is an arguement of semantics, let's me fix this whole issue....

Ha ha ha ha ha! I was only arguing semantics! I've no opinion in the least on whether PS3's launch titles will be 80% ports, 20% ports, all ports or all exclusives, and I've never said otherwise. I contributed something to Almasy's POV, but it's not a POV I share, and I only added for the sake of discussion. My inital response to you was purely one of miscommunication.

"Why? Because the moment the PS3 is released PROBABLY 80% of it's launch titles will be Xbox 360 ports?"

There you go. All fixed. Feel better now

Yes. Do you not understand the difference between that statement and your prior one? It's the difference between me writing "Sega will have a new home console out in 2010" and writing "I think Sega will have a new home console out in 2010" or the difference between me saying "PS3 will be upgraded to 1GB RAM" and "I think PS3 will be upgraded to 1GB RAM." The unambiguous assertion implies knowledge of the fact, and without the explicit facts there shouldn't be explicit assertions as they're misleading.

 

[randycat99]

Powderkeg learns an important lesson today. Let us all hope he remembers it, and applies it to his future posts.