What do you expect for R650

G92/G94/G96/G98

 

Impossible is nothing.

 

I'm sure quite a few people said the exact same thing prior to NV30 and R300, that both products were impossible for their respective companies.

IE - Prior to NV30 most people would have said it's impossible for NV to produce a bad 3D card (although having lived through NV1 and the two TNT cards, I'm not one of them.)

And prior to R300, everyone would have said it was impossible to ATI to totally spank Nvidia.

I'm sure many also considered what G80 turned out to be impossible if someone had said a half year in advance that it would completely and totally dominate the high end.

So, I guess you could say it's "not possible" for anything to be "not possible."

Regards,
SB

 

It's unlikely, I agree. But I hope so anyway

And no, I'm not a fanboy or anything like that. I just think that would be best for us customers now.

 

How about Nov. 2005?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=25694

Adore MEEEEE!!11!11111!!!!1

// hugging my CB

 

I not hope anything so i can't be dissapointed, only surprised when AMD make something impressive

 

R300 vs NV30 was another story, i think the situation now its totally different because AMD strugling money wise and with products too almost every segment, mobil GPU's, discrete GPU's, workstation CPU's, desptop CPU's, steam computing, i see no real competiation just "we can't compete we try sell it cheap" strategy, in steam computing they are f***** up the early lead.

In the future not looks great either, because products what delayed already,
everyone can see what will be Intel step when finally AMD release Barcelona and Phenom, same will happen in GPU segment too, when finally AMD release something NV can easy counter with a OC'ed GPU (not even a shrinked one needed), R600 has more weak point than only lack of TMU's, the game still missing in action what make r600 shine,Bioshock dx9/dx10 performance review without AA AMD fastest card with 1gb gddr4 memory (hd2900xt) ~20% slower than NV 4th fastest card with 320mb (8800gts), hd2900xt 1gb only faster as the 8800gts 320mb in resolutions where avarage frame not enough to play the game smooth (don't forget hd2900xt 1gb cost twice as the 8800gts320mb), slowly r600 turn as a bigger mistake than nv30 was.

I'm sure rv670 at 65nm not coming out because its lack of performance, at 55nm AMD hope higher clockspeed, less leakage and can bruteforce the GPU clockspeed to the moon, this is why start run AMOK again with half-node process.

 

That article show numbers completly diferent from 2 other reviews, so sorry but anyone will take that as example.

Wait for other reviews and newer driver from ATI and Nvidia. The Nvidia drivers used in that review are completly useless in many other games with corruption in image. They are not WHQL.

A completly bugy driver never, but never should be used in any review.

 

ComputerBase.de and... ?

 

This one? http://www.digitalreport.net/content/view/52/1

 

Drivers WHQL certification can't sell hw because 95% of the users not even know whats that, 3% not care, so 2% of the users think the same as AMD.

ATi hotfix driver not WHQL either, and this time they worked with the dev's. (hotfix suggest this).

The reality is 90% of the games optimized for NV cards, when the game coming out the beta driver is there too what runs the game better than older drivers and most of the times bug free, but sometimes cause problems with other games.
ATi side you need to wait 2-3 months and than maybe you get some more frame and user able to play the game bug free.

Most of the users choice NV strategy and when new beta cause problems in other games than its optimized for, than installing other driver, this is still have more "fun" than wait months for AMD maybe find some performance and fixing the bug's.

AMD problems not only the lack of competative products, they have huge problems in SW releationship side too, in the last few years NV made monopoly in SW side and not only with great architectures, SW sell HW and not HW sell SW, so when a company have a kickass architecture and not have support for it from SW dev's side, than its can fail only.

Hope for a magic driver out of the date.

 

That´s not true almost everyone go get drivers to Nvidia site witch have the WHQL drivers.
You only get betas in Nzone.

For every review site almost 99% of them say that ATI driver for Vista is far away better then Nvidia ones.
ATI-> first stability, next performance. Is how they work.

The latest beta from Nvidia for Bioshock have corruption in many other games. That corruption does not exist in the WHQL drivers of Nvidia.
You think that is very good sending trash drivers to the internet just for have better reviews for 1 game that came out (Bioshock)?
Sorry but that´s disgusting.

A good review have to use the latest WHQL driver from the companys
The story that ATI drivers suck is very very old and it´s not true. Not even close.

 

Just as a reference for GF8 series #s, here's AMDZone's benchmarks (no R600s).

 

Read again what i write, i not talked about nv 4 WHQL driver/year , i talking about the users not care about WHQL certification because its means nothing, we see already BSOD WHQL drivers.

Tell me one site where the reviewers testing games from stability aspect and playing from start to the end, i'm sure you can find a single one, so this reason has no future.

Yes, NV driver strategy is better, because reviews show good performance in the games whats coming out with game optimized beta driver, this reviews NEVER use this driver to test other games.

I say this always, noone care.

I not said its sucks, i said they need better driver strategy, because what they use it now its not good from they own users.
When you buy a hd2900xt and see this review than your only hope maybe next driver give some performance, than some weeks gone new driver out and nothing changed, hopeing 4ever its not good, its will be much better when game out performance almost in the maximum and not in 60%.

First thing is what AMD need to do crack the monopoly in SW side, Valve can't change the picture with they 3 years old engine and addon games (hl2:ep2).

Dark days still coming this year for AMD when games Crysis, Hellgate London, Huxley, Conan, Quake Wars, Unreal3 coming out, and this is not the whole list.

 

Why the hell the site have banners when they can't go to the store and buy cards , and this id*o*s what users call as expert

 

Here is what else they say in relation to the AMD part:

 

And? stores perm closed or what? not all hw site get there hw's from NV or AMD or any AIB, and can make good reviews.

 

Oh I agree. It just seems they feel they should be pampered with free hardware by AMD, since afterall they are names AMDZone.

Personally, they should buy their equipment just like all the other consumers.

 

Sites buying their own hardware for testing would be ideal (the Consumer Reports model), but I don't believe this is the case for the majority--if not totality--of the sites I visit. So I'm not sure I'd blame them for this, especially not knowing their financial situation (review hardware is probably not the only expense they incur) or even focus (aren't they more about CPUs and MBs?).

If the biggest hardware sites don't seem to buy their own stuff, why should the smaller ones? I've always thought it couldn't be that expensive a proposition merely in terms of hardware costs, given that a site could probably sell its review samples in its forums (a la SPCR, though I'm not sure if they're selling stuff they bought or received), but selling may not be easy as pie.

Anyway, this whole tirade--er, train of thought is severely off topic. I was just trying to provide some context for G8x figures, to see if various sites' #s agreed with each other.

 

Powerball numbers, stat!