What do you expect for R650
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Sound_Card
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Don`t say that out loud. The lads over at Rage are convinced that nVidia is doing Transparency MSAA whilst ATi is doing Quality ADAA(meaning SSAA), and that actually it`s the driver fairy that brought improvements in terms of performance, not the implementation of EATM
Sorry I have been gone a while.
And to get back to you on your false assumption. EATM did not replace SSAA.
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He was refering to driver 8.37.x.x (which is not like 7.5) and as I know is also not a oblivion driver as their is no such thing as a specific driver just for a game. Now their is patches or hot fixes that are placed on drivers specificly for games at times, AKA chuck patch.
Now tell me this...
Why would ATi replace SSAA with mode that has issues with semi transparant and missing objects on feilds?
He was refering to driver 8.37.x.x (which is not like 7.5) and as I know is also not a oblivion driver as their is no such thing as a specific driver just for a game. Now their is patches or hot fixes that are placed on drivers specificly for games at times, AKA chuck patch.
Now tell me this...
Why would ATi replace SSAA with mode that has issues with semi transparant and missing objects on feilds?
Well then connect, these sites and find out why they wrote they got drivers specific for oblivion, with the launch of the 2900 series,
Techreport
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And the driver that I know first hand that has this optimization, is the 8.37.4.2
Sound_Card
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ahh, it's a driver that has specfic improvements for oblivion. You got me a bit confused calling it a Obllivion driver. I guess we have to call the 7.5 driver the crossfire driver then.
From what I know/been told/seen, EATM has not made its way over SSAA, and will not due to some issues with it. It's simply a checkmark feature under the registry at this moment but hopefully in the future consumers get the choice to use that as well as having the choice of SSAA.
From what I know/been told/seen, EATM has not made its way over SSAA, and will not due to some issues with it. It's simply a checkmark feature under the registry at this moment but hopefully in the future consumers get the choice to use that as well as having the choice of SSAA.
And it shouldn't, imho! EATM may be a choice to improve performance in titles that have heavy alpha use where super-sampled is simply too much of a hit.
What would be nice for some is to see super-sampled adaptive improve performance; and still have EATM flexibility, too. This would be welcomed, imho!
EATM replacing super-sampled wouldn't due to the limitations EATM has at times. Sure, EATM offers some nice quality for its performance and some very welcomed IQ for the hit -- but a more quality based super-sampled over-all -- when it comes to curbing shimmering may be still superior sample-vs-sample.
Flexibility -- depends on title and resolution need.
What would be nice for some is to see super-sampled adaptive improve performance; and still have EATM flexibility, too. This would be welcomed, imho!
EATM replacing super-sampled wouldn't due to the limitations EATM has at times. Sure, EATM offers some nice quality for its performance and some very welcomed IQ for the hit -- but a more quality based super-sampled over-all -- when it comes to curbing shimmering may be still superior sample-vs-sample.
Flexibility -- depends on title and resolution need.
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Die_Hard_AMD
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According to interview while back, R650 was on the road map. The most I care for is a refresh R6xx based on 65nm or 55nm; if AMD canceled R650, that is their problem not mine.
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R650 isn't on the roadmap anymore. R680 is.
Release Januari 2008 together with RV620/RV635 (and maybe RV670 if they don't meet their December timeframe for that card. It's on the roadmap and all that's currently known is that it will support DX10.1 (SM4.1) just like the other new cards. It will support PCIe 2.0, have a 800+ Mhz clock combined with GDDR3 512MB / 1GB. It will also have display port and be manufactured on a smaller process. And ofcourse it has Enhanced CrossFire. Launchdate is currently set for Januari and suprisingly it will have UVD.
R650 isn't on the roadmap anymore. R680 is.
Release Januari 2008 together with RV620/RV635 (and maybe RV670 if they don't meet their December timeframe for that card. It's on the roadmap and all that's currently known is that it will support DX10.1 (SM4.1) just like the other new cards. It will support PCIe 2.0, have a 800+ Mhz clock combined with GDDR3 512MB / 1GB. It will also have display port and be manufactured on a smaller process. And ofcourse it has Enhanced CrossFire. Launchdate is currently set for Januari and suprisingly it will have UVD.
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Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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AMD R700 will be DX10.1 (SM4.1), but R6xx series will stay at DX10 (SM4)....
That's not what I've been told.
vertex_shader
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You looks too optimistic, users with brain know AMD need money, but won't buy products from AMD only because AMD need money when its not competative in some way. (mostly users buy the cards from performance aspect, than other things coming like, price,power consuption, features,...).
In the reality when AMD release performance competative product than its already a step forward from the current situation, why? because they get user respect back, can sell they products with better price and higher volume, not need to balance the lack of performance with lower prices (this happening now with the whole hd2k family), but all for this step they need to release in time, and not months after competition.
Duh, I need money too...
As a user, I could care less what company produced the product I buy, but I'll certainly always go for the product with better price/perf/power ratio. If that makes the competition bankrupt, so what. It's their fault (btw I'm not talking about ATI specifically, if they make a better product I'll buy that and make nV bleed just the same). Noone buys a crappy product just to make the company happy, that's ridiculous.
As a user, I could care less what company produced the product I buy, but I'll certainly always go for the product with better price/perf/power ratio. If that makes the competition bankrupt, so what. It's their fault (btw I'm not talking about ATI specifically, if they make a better product I'll buy that and make nV bleed just the same). Noone buys a crappy product just to make the company happy, that's ridiculous.
The holiday season is irrelevant here. If you release in December, you won't have any OEM deals, nor full channel presence. So December or January. It just doesn't really matter.Missing the holiday season again? I'm sorry, that deserves a
The reason why early Q1 is important is the Notebook Refresh cycle btw; not the full new platform, just the refresh where the CPUs will be replaced by Penryns and the GPU MXMs might get replaced too. If you miss that Q1 cycle, then you at least need to make the Q2 one - but there's still a substantial amount of share (guess: 20%+?) that you would lose compared to the scenario where you had both cycles in the pocket.
It looks like G92 and G98 will make that Q1 cycle, but G96 won't. This might give an advantage to AMD's 55nm RV630. It's easy to see missing the holidays as a doom scenario, but IMO, that's certainly not the right way to look at it. From a channel desktop POV, maybe partially so, but not in any other way that I can tell.
Huh? That's why I said I hope it will be much stronger than nVIDIAs part at that time.
vertex_shader
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