What do you expect for R650

[Kaotik]

When/where?

Q&A session after the [something]-690 chipset release I think, the same where there was talk about the "teraflop in a box" and how much the R600's consume power.

The video of it was on some site, he talked about the power consumption, mentioned R650 and R700 and how they will incorporate some new powersaving/cooling/something techs too which weren't available when they designed R600 among other things, and 65nm process as far as I can remember

 

[Shtal]

When/where?

http://blip.tv/file/get/Bleedingedge...renceQA849.mp4 Based on this video R650 do exist

Or it's possible, there is no R650 or R680.

What about R670?
The latest batch of roadmaps tells of details about several new parts, for example the RV670 and R670, http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40068

 

[Geeforcer]

Q&A session after the [something]-690 chipset release I think, the same where there was talk about the "teraflop in a box" and how much the R600's consume power.

The video of it was on some site, he talked about the power consumption, mentioned R650 and R700 and how they will incorporate some new powersaving/cooling/something techs too which weren't available when they designed R600 among other things, and 65nm process as far as I can remember

I saw that video.. The only R650 reference there (that I know of) was "R650 or whatever... midlife kickers". Anyway, it doesn't really matter how they call it... what it is and when it's coming is what the speculation is all about.

 

[AnarchX]

R650 is dead, long lives R680?

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=5044

 

[Shtal]

R650 is dead, long lives R680?

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=5044

According to NocturnDragon: he said their will be no R680.

If you read a list of the ATI codenames you'll realize why some were ending with 00 and 50 and some others with 20 and 80. So no I don't think a 680 will ever exist!

Here is the link. http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=41303&page=4

 

[vertex_shader]

R650 is dead, long lives R680?

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=5044

Rv660/670 only 2008jan? huh?
How the hell can AMD survive more than 6 months with r600/rv610/rv630?

 

[AnarchX]

According to NocturnDragon: he said their will be no R680.

Maybe they do not want:

RV670 > R650

 

[trinibwoy]

R650 is dead, long lives R680?

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=5044

Damn ATI doesn't play around. So they haven't learned their lesson about pushing the process envelope yet huh Somehow I feel that R680 at 55nm will probably still have a rough time against a 65nm G92.

 

[Vincent]

The problem to AMD is/was-----Should they pay off their R&D cost entirely ?

RV570/RV560 with same die size both of them seem to me are not a good solution for margin.
Nvidia is a good competitor but a shady company with Propaganda of fraud.

Before G80 , Nvidia said G80 is a 32 PS + 16 VS GPU

Befoe NV40, Nvidia said NV40 is just a 8 pipeline GPU

The Culture and Ethnic within AMD should undoubtedly be transformed into the company with better campaign and clear developement of variety of product lines from GPU to CPU.

 

[Tim Murray]

The problem to AMD is/was-----Should they pay off their R&D cost entirely ?

RV570/RV560 with same die size both of them seem to me are not a good solution for margin.
Nvidia is a good competitor but a shady company with Propaganda of fraud.

Before G80 , Nvidia said G80 is a 32 PS + 16 VS GPU

Befoe NV40, Nvidia said NV40 is just a 8 pipeline GPU

The Culture and Ethnic within AMD should undoubtedly be transformed into the company with better campaign and clear developement of variety of product lines from GPU to CPU.

You're mad because a company won't tell you exactly what it's developing before it's released?

 

[trinibwoy]

They have to tell us everything!! Else it's all propoganda, fraud and propoganda of fraud

 

[Shtal]

Yaay I get credit for inventing R680!

After all - you do ----> Yes!!!! Congratulations

 

[Rangers]

Rv660/670 only 2008jan? huh?
How the hell can AMD survive more than 6 months with r600/rv610/rv630?

Why not? They survived 6 months with no high end competition for G80 at all.

They probably canceled R650 because it would be too competitive.

And yeah, pushing for 55nm doesn't seem a good idea either.

Wonder if they'll actually have more than 16 TMU's this time (while Nvidia will be up to 100 or something)

 

[AlphaWolf]

Rv660/670 only 2008jan? huh?
How the hell can AMD survive more than 6 months with r600/rv610/rv630?

Maybe because the bleeding edge isn't a big deal in terms of profit.

 

[Shtal]

I simply don't understand; R650, R670, R680.

R650 was main focus to add texture power.
R670 based on "theinquirer" was some kind mistake probably.
R680 was probably meant to create 3:1 or 4:1 ratio, since it lacks with 64 shader power, Dave Orton mention up to 96 shaders.

Based on the video interview, R650 should be on the road-map; unless ATI realize that Nvidia G92 is around the corner and AMD will be behind with R650 against G92, so they probably need something more competitive against G92, so I think R680 is where it comes in.

I got a feeling G92 is renamed G81.... If not, then where is in the heck G90 - did they skip it?

[Edit: ATI could still release R650 first, then follow with R680]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Based on the video interview, R650 should be on the road-map; unless ATI realize that Nvidia G92 is around the corner and AMD will be behind with R650 against G92, so they probably need something more competitive against G92, so I think R680 is where it comes in.

Really? Where does the R700 come in?

US

 

[AlexV]

Maybe because the bleeding edge isn't a big deal in terms of profit.

Only if you view the way the market behaves in a simplistic manner, and want to believe that AMDs current choice of product repartition was willing rather than forced. If the above conditions aren`t met, you may have a surprise WRT how the bleeding edge is a very big deal in terms of generating profit.

 

[Shtal]

Really? Where does the R700 come in?

US

ATI/AMD R700 will go against Nvidia G100....

 

[Entropy]

Only if you view the way the market behaves in a simplistic manner, and want to believe that AMDs current choice of product repartition was willing rather than forced. If the above conditions aren`t met, you may have a surprise WRT how the bleeding edge is a very big deal in terms of generating profit.

Seeing as the marketshare of graphics cards costing $250 and up is less than 3%, these are pretty much incapable of generating much profit on their own, nevermind the fact that their materials cost is higher, yields are lower, and volumes to offset development costs for the specific part is way lower.

You could argue that they act like marketing for the lower end parts. But then again, you would have one hell of a hard time actually proving that it was particularly effective.

I agree that AMDs current situation is not of their choice. It is a result of choices they made, however, and I feel they would have been one hell of a lot better off if they had focussed on maintaining good mobile marketshare for the last couple of years, and then using those chips as the basis for OEM friendly desktop parts. But that is just my personal opinion.

 

[dyr]

RV670=48*5d replace x1950xt in mid-range market

if r650 or r670 fight 88ultra
and R700 will go against Nvidia G100

who fight G90(or G92)?

so cancel r650 or r670, use r680 fight G90(or G92)