What are the chinks in XB360's armour?
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and ? companys are out to make a profit . I'm sure halo 2 didn't cost anywhere near how much it made .
We don't do this with other products . We don't look at a movie and say well hey this is an indie we should only pay 2$ to see it since it cost 4 million vs the new star wars that cost 110 million . Why should we look at maps and price them compared to how much it cost to make .
I think its better to look at its value to you . How much value does a multiplayer map give you ?
Well there are some factors
1) how often do you play online ?
2) what is your monthly gaming budget ?
3) How enjoyable is the game to you
4) how much time do you have to play games in that month
For some if 1,2,3 add up correctly it may be better two buy a map or two at 1-2$ and get another 10-16 hours out of the game for that month than to go with out anything or simply renting a game .
There are alot of factors and I think the pricing wil lset it self up correctly in time . As we've seen some of us feel 1-2 is to much while others don't really think so . But i think comparing how much it cost to make the product to how much it should sell for is a poor comparison
We don't do this with other products . We don't look at a movie and say well hey this is an indie we should only pay 2$ to see it since it cost 4 million vs the new star wars that cost 110 million . Why should we look at maps and price them compared to how much it cost to make .
I think its better to look at its value to you . How much value does a multiplayer map give you ?
Well there are some factors
1) how often do you play online ?
2) what is your monthly gaming budget ?
3) How enjoyable is the game to you
4) how much time do you have to play games in that month
For some if 1,2,3 add up correctly it may be better two buy a map or two at 1-2$ and get another 10-16 hours out of the game for that month than to go with out anything or simply renting a game .
There are alot of factors and I think the pricing wil lset it self up correctly in time . As we've seen some of us feel 1-2 is to much while others don't really think so . But i think comparing how much it cost to make the product to how much it should sell for is a poor comparison
passby said:
How did u get the picture on the flash card ?
Not only that but I want it even faster than what you want . I don't wnat to even have to turn the ps3 on and wait for it to load up . I want to just pull the card out of my pocket with the s video cable reader and just plug it in , that would be faster than the ps3 method ?
But anyway this is getting dumb. I'm sure diffrent people wnat diffrent things .
This is just something i don't see many people using . Most people are going to watn to use thier memory card so keeping the content on the card wont help to much . Your going to have to move it some where at some point to put more data on the card . So in the ps3 case you can view it but then need to go to another medium to save it or your going to have to stream it across your network if its capable of that . with the x360 your going to have to store it first on your pc and stream it to your x360 or stream it from the camera .
I don't see either method inherently better than the other . I guess you can make a point that you can view it at your friends much easier . But then again if its on my pc i can put them on a cd or a dvd and clear up my memory card to make new memorys while i'm there .
I think this will be like firewire on the ps2. I think we will see some ports gone with the shrink. I also don't get why they are using sd and not just memory sticks . That may lead to confusion with the psp
jvd said:
1,2,4 could be great if you dont have the 3, you cant do nothing (what if you have 10 games and each week you have a new map for 2$ that 20 week up to 80$ mounth)
But if you have 3 you can buy even if you dont like very much of the game.
Remember that if you can buy things that dont mean that everyone can spend that much money.
If the first happen I think people would buy less overall, and buy less games.
But has I said the key is balance, bettwen the number of consumers and the price.
Since there isn't a camera in existance that can hold 3-4 flash media simultaneously, they always end up in the pocket.
And you don't need to wait for the PC to boot...?
Oh now it's not via the camera, but thru a card reader? I already mentioned I neither want extra clutter nor another peripheral.
You're right there, and this is the root of our disagreement. Darn I feel dumb already.
I don't get fully what your talking about . What do you mean by if you don't have 3 ?
Anyway you don't have to keep buying maps . You can buy whatever maps apeal to you . IF they do make 20 a week and your budget is 4$ which is enough for 2 maps then you can read reviews or discriptions and buy them .
It may also work out where the older content drops in price. So while say pdz map 10 is brand new this month and is 2$ in 3 months it may drop to 50cents to make more sales off it and to match up with the new price of pdz itself . Then mabye by the time pdz hits 20$ as a best seller they will also have a pack of the best or most bought maps and sell it bundled for a low price .
And that is the point of my list . If your budget is 10$ a month you wont get much. But if you really love say pdz a new map for 2$ that month may get you many many hours of enjoyment and you still saved 8$ to add to next months budget and you still ahve something new to play .
It takes a long time for a multiplayer map to get borring .
That is true . I play cs source at least an hour a day . I passed up other games that were some what decent and kept with this game. So far in the last 4 months i've downloaded 5 maps and have played the hell out of them . So even if we say that is 10$ or 20$ for those maps . That is still a greater value than buying a game that may have taken me 10 hours to beat .
Its all about factors .
As i've said the market will sort itself out .
I'm sure that hte halo 3s of the world will sell the content for more than the joe schmo games of the world
Regards prices, it'll work itself out. Companies will charge what the majority will pay. Simple economics. And from what I've seen people will foolishly part rather substantial amounts of money on any cheap trash (ringtones, backdrops, smilies, etc.) that cost extremely little to produce.
@ jvd : I think the inclusion of memcards for media on PS3 is a convenience to aid the adoption of PS3 as the media hub. If a card reader were sold seperately, most wouldn't buy it. If included, people will give it a try and the adoption of PS3 as a viewer/player would, I imagine, be a lot higher. Sony want people to think of PlayStation as an entertainments device, not games machine, and want to expand perception to thinking 'I've got such-and-such to view, I'll use my PS3' instead of going for their PC.
@ jvd : I think the inclusion of memcards for media on PS3 is a convenience to aid the adoption of PS3 as the media hub. If a card reader were sold seperately, most wouldn't buy it. If included, people will give it a try and the adoption of PS3 as a viewer/player would, I imagine, be a lot higher. Sony want people to think of PlayStation as an entertainments device, not games machine, and want to expand perception to thinking 'I've got such-and-such to view, I'll use my PS3' instead of going for their PC.
Yes for viewing perhaps . That is a good point. But there are many other things people will want to do with the pictures . Which is why i see both x360 and ps3 methods as flawed .
With the x360 you have to use another means to put the pictures on display , a usb add on or streaming from a pc. But there is an upside , if your streaming from a pc you have more tools to do more things , you can email them out , you can burn to another media or back up to your hardrive or even print .
With the ps3 you can view off the bat and that is nice. But to do anything else you have to stream them to your pc (or buy a hardrive for back ups on the ps3 )
Both have thier draw backs. However there is nothing to remove on the x360 , there is with the ps3 and like firewire i think sd will be removed. I'm sure they will keep memory sticks even with a shrink .
For editing it seems to me Sony want's you to use their HD+Linux+editing programs (KK's expecting tools for PS3.)
It wouldn't be out of the question for high-level editing, such as colour balancing etc., on a simple system that comes on game disc. EyeToy could be used as an intuitive interface too. There won't be the same level of support as a PC (at least, not for a long time if ever) but the usual things people do to their photos to make them reasonable might find simple implementations on a viewer/player.
It wouldn't be out of the question for high-level editing, such as colour balancing etc., on a simple system that comes on game disc. EyeToy could be used as an intuitive interface too. There won't be the same level of support as a PC (at least, not for a long time if ever) but the usual things people do to their photos to make them reasonable might find simple implementations on a viewer/player.
The PS3 + Linux thing... I'll wait to see if it really amounts to anything at all. Won't amount to much if it is as geek-targeted as PS2+Linux.
Oh and just for information, Sony saves quite a sum in taxes to EU if the PS3 is classified as 'computer' instead of 'entertainment device'. It already happened with the PS2 after they released the Linux kit for it.
Oh and just for information, Sony saves quite a sum in taxes to EU if the PS3 is classified as 'computer' instead of 'entertainment device'. It already happened with the PS2 after they released the Linux kit for it.
The Linux doesn't need to be exposed to the average user.
They can make a simplish graphical interface for Linux (I doubt theyt'll use KDE or something similar), maybe something like what's used in VAIO's, a modification of the XBR (Cross Bar Interface) that's used in PSX and PSP.
PSX had some simple editing possibilities, it's likely PS3 is something similar especially as the PSP and some Sony TV's already use the XBR interface.
They can make a simplish graphical interface for Linux (I doubt theyt'll use KDE or something similar), maybe something like what's used in VAIO's, a modification of the XBR (Cross Bar Interface) that's used in PSX and PSP.
PSX had some simple editing possibilities, it's likely PS3 is something similar especially as the PSP and some Sony TV's already use the XBR interface.
?jvd said:
Sorry I had put a 3 insted of a 2
That is true for me (and users), but then only 1-2 dev would make money and all of them want to make money
I expect that too
Well this is more the wish of having everything, than anything else, because none would by 10 maps for different games at the same time and play all, in 1 week
You are right, pieces of art do not have a static price, for one it have very value, for others it have other value, it dependes of the game and the gamer.
As i've said the market will sort itself out .
It is a brand new market it will take time to get a standart.
do u buy every ps2 game that comes out each month ? certianly not . Devs will make the maps . It sholdn't be expensive for them and even if only 10k people buy a 2$ map they are still making 20k . Which is most likely more than what it cost to make it . The bigger games have more support of course .
Of course . But really why expect that ? Most players will buy 1 or 2 maps a month. Just like they may buy 1 or 2 games a month. The devs must make sure its thier maps so they must make good maps .
Now while i expect the devs to put out maps i don't think we will see many maps from them . Mabye a hand full per game . What i really expect to see is like on the pc the home made maps .
Whole communitys will pop up and start making maps fror thier fav game and will most likely give them away free . Those player made maps that are really good might see 50cent prices .
That is where live is really going to shine
pc just look at this half life 2 mod http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24157
Its a free fan made mod . This is avalible on the pc . I don't see why it wont happen on the x360 .
Its a free fan made mod . This is avalible on the pc . I don't see why it wont happen on the x360 .
Personally, I've never played fan made mods or maps much. I've tried some for various games, but they've always been that much less polished than "official" content. I'm pretty sure I'd be hard persuaded to pay for some.
And there is usually so many newer, fresher gaming experiences waiting I feel little incentive to play half-finished mods and boring maps.
Could be I've just missed the better ones, though.
And there is usually so many newer, fresher gaming experiences waiting I feel little incentive to play half-finished mods and boring maps.
Could be I've just missed the better ones, though.
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One thing to note is that the mods we see in the PC community are often times allowed or encouraged by the dev teams... companies like Id and Valve often grant more access and leway (sp?) with their games than console developers do... remember when fans had mods up and about for DOA?? Tecmo slammed them.
I doubt we'll see much more than say a "skins" community... we won't see things like gary's mod for HL2. The developers won't allow it... maybe after time as a few adventurous devs try it out and there seems to be profit we might, but I'm willing to bet most are going to be overly protective.
I doubt we'll see much more than say a "skins" community... we won't see things like gary's mod for HL2. The developers won't allow it... maybe after time as a few adventurous devs try it out and there seems to be profit we might, but I'm willing to bet most are going to be overly protective.
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