Troy

Facial reconstructions of several greek skulls dating 2500-3000 showed them having typical european traits. I wouldnt be surprised if some of them were blond...

Most mediterraneans today share ancestry with the more recent Moorish invasions of the middle ages which left their mark on the populations...
 
pax said:
Facial reconstructions of several greek skulls dating 2500-3000 showed them having typical european traits. I wouldnt be surprised if some of them were blond...

Most mediterraneans today share ancestry with the more recent Moorish invasions of the middle ages which left their mark on the populations...

But that's perfectly beside the point. The Arabs (or Moors) never invaded Greece or even Italy (outside of Sicily) for that matter. And modern Greeks have purely European racial traits as well, yet blonds are rare to say the least in modern Hellada, Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria...
 
You could very well be right. All the ancient frescos seem to shows black haired people. Oddly enough Oliver Stone made Colin\Alexander into a blond for his movie...

Ive no idea of Macedonians being blond tho...
 
akira888 said:
pax said:
Facial reconstructions of several greek skulls dating 2500-3000 showed them having typical european traits. I wouldnt be surprised if some of them were blond...

Most mediterraneans today share ancestry with the more recent Moorish invasions of the middle ages which left their mark on the populations...

But that's perfectly beside the point. The Arabs (or Moors) never invaded Greece or even Italy (outside of Sicily) for that matter. And modern Greeks have purely European racial traits as well, yet blonds are rare to say the least in modern Hellada, Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria...

Rare to say the least? i've seen LOADS!!! :| Blonds are everywhere. It's an invasion. We need to rid this planet from blonds.
 
Crisidelm said:
Greece was part of the Ottoman Empire, if I recall correctly.

Greece, like Italy, was part of pretty much everything at least once in its life.... They both had the world at their feet at one point, then got invaded repeatedly by anyone who felt like it. They got gang-raped many times, so to speak.
 
I saw this film a few days ago - the highlights included:

1) The quality of Brad Pitt's and Eric Bana's acting

2) The Pitt / Bana fight was spectatular - Hector was really skilled, honourable and brave, but Achilles really looked the part of the most talented warrior of an age, for all Hector's ability Achilles was 30% better in every way and everyone knew it - so points again to Hector's bravey.

3) The King's plea for Achilles to give him Hectors body

The Illiad had brilliant drama and a really involving story that sadly the director of Troy largely by-passed the crux of the drama to give us a "Hollywood Epic" that just didn't feel Epic enough.
 
Crisidelm said:
Greece was part of the Ottoman Empire, if I recall correctly.

Turks are not Arabs but rather a people racially between the Slavs and Mongols, and are from Central Asia. They are not indigenous to the Middle East just as we Americans are not indigenous to North America.

london-boy said:
Rare to say the least? i've seen LOADS!!! Blonds are everywhere. It's an invasion. We need to rid this planet from blonds.

In Greece? Are you sure they weren't chavsters on holiday? :LOL:
 
akira888 said:
london-boy said:
Rare to say the least? i've seen LOADS!!! Blonds are everywhere. It's an invasion. We need to rid this planet from blonds.

In Greece? Are you sure they weren't chavsters on holiday? :LOL:


Well, not in Greece, but they were greeks nonetheless...
 
seen the film,

never read Illiyad

and the film is brilliant... whatever made wolfgang made this into a story he made it to, the story is brilliant, as said initially, works on pretty much all levels, and the cast is brilliant...

The 'epic' parts of the film are actually here as a part of the story, and to support it... all in all the one of the best films I've seen ever.
 
Druga Runda said:
seen the film,

never read Illiyad

and the film is brilliant... whatever made wolfgang made this into a story he made it to, the story is brilliant, as said initially, works on pretty much all levels, and the cast is brilliant...

The 'epic' parts of the film are actually here as a part of the story, and to support it... all in all the one of the best films I've seen ever.

Well, the "story" is what the Iliyad was for. I think the mythology elements should have been there, i absolutely LOVE greek mythology and it's been a while since it's been used on screen...
 
well I'd guess that would be a completley different film than.

In this context noone needed gods to come down, the film is perfect as it is, an interpretation of the historical event. Maybe someday ppl will see fit to do a remake of the Illiyad with the mythological parts included.
 
ok spoilers following....

Troy the movie is supposed 2 document the sacking of the city of Troy (modern Turkey)
that happened in about 1200 BC by the Greeks...
The same story is being told by Homer in his epic poem entitled the Iliad...
in any case my personal view is that the director and/or producer of the
film should follow 1 of the 2 following directions:
a) a realistic representation of the Iliad that would try 2 explain the historical
reality of this era giving us a glimpse into the social and financial state of

affairs of the Achaious (Greeks) and the rest of the "known" world according
to Homer (Phoinikes, Persians, Kares, Leleges etc) and their struggle
for domination of the Aegean Sea and the Black Sea...
b) an exact copy of the epic poem with godly intervensions and paraphysic
phenomena that are so common in Homers "world"... The technology 4 that
exists and if properly done we'd talk about a super-production that would
blow Jackson's Lord of the Rings out of the water...
Its obvious that the director Petersen (Das Boot) tried 2 go 4 the first
option but in my opinion his story-telling and representation of the Iliad
was severely lacking in pretty much everything...
I understand that a book (much less a poem) has 2 change in order
2 be adapted in the big screen but apart from the actual names of the
characters the film had little 2 do with the Iliad...
I explain myself....
i) scenery-costumes-weapons...
the represantion of the above has little 2 do with Greeks or Trojans of
the period that the war is taking place... Its more reminiscent of Persian
or Pharao-egyptian kind of style...
ii) social and political structures...
it presents a society where women were participating in war counsils
(something unheard of at the time), where battles were observed
high above the castles, gods where under scrutiny etc...
iii) Achilleas (not Achilleus) is not a champion in Agamemnon's army...
in fact he was the king of Phthia in Thessaly, the Myrmidons were not
mercenaries/buddies of Achilleas but they were the fearsome army of Thessaly,
Achilleas never sets foot inside Trojan walls as he gets killed way b4 the
war is over by Paris and a poisoned arrow in his heel (hence the
Achilleus heel meaning weak spot)..
he is represent as a killing machine instead of the complex emotional and tragic character the Homer wrote about...
iv) Patroklos was not the younger (in fact he was older) cousin of Achilleas but
instead his close friend (some say with strong homosexual tendencies towards him)
v) Brysieis is just a slave girl that was captured during a greek raid
and she wasnt a priestess of any kind or had any relation 2 Hektor
vi) Hector's sister, Cassandra the mad or the prophet is nowhere 2 b seen
vii) Agamemnon was never killed by Brysieis but instead he came home
victorious and he was killed by his cheating wife and her lover (hence the
beatiful tragedy Oresteia that tells that story written by Aischylous)
viii) Menelaus was never killed by Hektor in Trojan soil.... Instead he came
home victorious with his wife Helen...
ix)Ajax (which reminds me more of a viking than a greek king) was never
killed in a battle with Hektor which ended in a stalemate... He commited suicide after he lost a wager
with Odysseas about the fallen Achilleas shield and armor and went mad...
x)Hektor stole the armament of of the fallen Patroklos after he killed him
xi)Hektor was never in Sparta 2 negotiate peace... in fact Paris didnt
even go there as a prince, he was a mere farmer b4 he finds out
about his true identity, that was ostracised from troy since it was foretold
that he will bring pain and suffering to his people...
xii)Nestor the wise king of Argos was a counselor in Agamemnon's court
xiii)Priam was not killed by Odysseas but from Neoptolemos (Achilleas son, yes he wasnt there either)
xv)half a dosen of other major characters were not even mentioned with
the most noted absentees being Diomedes and Ajax the Telamon

Personally i havent read the Iliad since i was 13 yrs old and i can vividly
remember all of these major (for me) flaws of the film...
All the above is sm of the infinite chaos and stupidity that takes over the
entire film and it more reminescent of series like Hercules and Xena
but with a lot higher production costs...

i apologise 4 the long post but i just had 2 get that out of my sytem :)
 
Druga Runda said:
well I'd guess that would be a completley different film than.

In this context noone needed gods to come down, the film is perfect as it is, an interpretation of the historical event. Maybe someday ppl will see fit to do a remake of the Illiyad with the mythological parts included.


Yeah i mean don't get me wrong, i haven't even seen the movie, and i'm not complaining... it's just that i LOVE Greek Mythology...
 
IMHO... so what?!?

The story in the film is great as it is, and so is the acting...

here is a small interview with him
http://www.indielondon.co.uk/film/troy_petersen_feat.html
GERMAN-born director, Wolfgang Petersen, sounds like an excited schoolboy, when he describes the opportunity of making the $200-million epic, Troy, as ‘a dream come true’.

Speaking at a London press conference, ahead of the film’s world premiere in Berlin, the enthusiastic film-maker recalled learning about Homer’s The Iliad at school, and fantasising about his childhood hero, Achilles.

"He was like a James Dean, or a Marlon Brando, for me, the ultimate rebel. He was wonderful. He just lived by his own rules and nobody else’s; he would not accept any kind of authority. He was my guy," he explained.

Needless to say, as soon as he heard that Warner Bros had developed a story based on The Iliad, he thought, 'my God, this is what I want to do'.

"We knew it would be difficult to get the might of The Ilead into a single screenplay, but if it [the script] was any good, I wanted to do it. And boy it was good, it was very good," he recalled.
 
I have seen the trailers....if I've to judge from those, man it sucks! If Homer had been still alive, he would have forbidden such a mis-use of the name "Troy"...
 
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