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Jawed said:
scooby_dooby said:
Wouldn't it be awesome if they had $5 or $10 golf, football, hockey and basketball tournaments?

For example, Madden 2006- 32 person tournament. $5 buy in, 1st place wins $75.

I'd love it.

It will be interesting to see if the US government actually allows this. If the government says that online poker (amongst other online "gambling" activities) is illegal, why not on-line computer sports, for money, too?

Presumably these activities would generate income for the organiser, and ultimately one player walks away with the prize fund. What's the difference between online computer sports and poker?

Jawed

I wonder if a "registation" fee to play in a tournament, where there is a "cash prize from a sponsor" would be considered gambling? Non-professional softball, bowling, tennis, etc... leagues have this. Heck, I remember track meets where there were both "registration" fees to participate and cash prizes for the winners.

I guess I never looked at it as gambling (hahaha I never won nor never expected to), just a fee to participate because a lot of other tournies had registration fees and no prizes. (I don't gamble, never even a loto ticket). It would be interesting to know what is, and is not, deemed legally as gambling.
 
I don't see ap roblem. The cash will be from a sponser and then the fee you pay is for the renue . Servers and bandwidth don't pay for themselves . Aside from that things like party poker are legal here in the states. I can go online and gamble as much as i want
 
mckmas8808 said:
its not gambling its competition

Yeah thats what the gambling addicts that lose their house say too. :)

I would define gambling as something you don't have control over the outcome.....being able to enroll in a tournament and wage it out with your peers by displaying your ability to play a certain game as a form of competition is not gambling at all......In my opinion of course...
 
BlueTsunami said:
mckmas8808 said:
its not gambling its competition

Yeah thats what the gambling addicts that lose their house say too. :)

I would define gambling as something you don't have control over the outcome.....being able to enroll in a tournament and wage it out with your peers by displaying your ability to play a certain game as a form of competition is not gambling at all......In my opinion of course...

Well I have to respectfully disagree with you here. People that play poker feel that they have some kind of control over their outcome too. Real poker players don't look at their skill as luck, yet people equal poker to gambling.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Well I have to respectfully disagree with you here. People that play poker feel that they have some kind of control over their outcome too. Real poker players don't look at their skill as luck, yet people equal poker to gambling.
The most skilled poker player can get beat by the lucky hand of a beginner--which is why it's gambling.

The most skilled Halo player will not get beat by a lucky beginner. (The most skilled basketball player will not get beat by a lucky beginner. Etc, etc.)

.Sis
 
The most skilled poker player can get beat by the lucky hand of a beginner--which is why it's gambling.

The most skilled Halo player will not get beat by a lucky beginner. (The most skilled basketball player will not get beat by a lucky beginner. Etc, etc.)

.Sis

I beat more skillful people in Mortal Kombat all the time. It rare but it does happen. Anybody can have a good game. I see what you are saying and hope that something like that will happen. I might even try it once or twice. ;)
 
I believe one of the check boxes to using live (When u sign up ) is that you are over 18 or have parental permission . So i don't see a big problem with these contests .
 
How can you say you beat people "all the time", but then say "it's rare" next sentence. They're mutually exclusive!!

Anyway, the gov't can't just go and ban computer game contests - otherwise, I guess they'll be banning sporting events too.
 
How can you say you beat people "all the time", but then say "it's rare" next sentence. They're mutually exclusive!!

Anyway, the gov't can't just go and ban computer game contests - otherwise, I guess they'll be banning sporting events too.

I typed it incorrectly. It is rare but it does happen. Anyways I'm with you guys I want this to be legal. I was just saying that if poker online is illegal like someone else said then betting through online gaming might be illegal too.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Anyways I'm with you guys I want this to be legal. I was just saying that if poker online is illegal like someone else said then betting through online gaming might be illegal too.

I guess it's a differentiation of what is "betting" and what is not. I personally don't think paying an entry fee to an online gaming competition is betting - it's not like you're saying "I can choose the fee I pay for a higher reward".

They have huge "LAN party" type competitions already don't they? Eg, that "fatality" guy, right?
 
In a game like texas hold em its gambling because no amount of skill will change the out come . You can increase your chances of not loosing as badly by knowing when to fold or how much to bet or your odds . But u can't do anything about what comes out in the flops .
 
Sis said:
The most skilled poker player can get beat by the lucky hand of a beginner--which is why it's gambling.
For one round maybe. But not for a game of several rounds. It has been mathematically accepted that poker is one 'game-of-chance' that a player has control over. It is an interesting subject of study in probability and statistics, and several math papers have been written about it.
 
In the UK, gambling is a case of having a chance to win as a matter of probability (luck). If there is no skill involved to win a prize, it's gambling. TV competitions get around this law by having REALLY stupid questions. eg. A show is talking about the Spiderman movie, and offers a chance to win a prixe if you call a premium rate number. Pay to enter, random chance to win = gambling ; they're not allowed. So they through in a question "Spiderman takes his powers from which animal?
A: Spider
B: Antelope
D: Preying Mantis"
This adds an element of 'skill' (legally speaking) so is no longer gambling.

Over here a tournament with a prize won't be gambling. Victory requires skill (though dumb luck will always play in part in everything people do)
 
passby said:
Sis said:
The most skilled poker player can get beat by the lucky hand of a beginner--which is why it's gambling.
For one round maybe. But not for a game of several rounds. It has been mathematically accepted that poker is one 'game-of-chance' that a player has control over. It is an interesting subject of study in probability and statistics, and several math papers have been written about it.
While there is skill involved, it is a game of luck and the skill basically amounts to maximizing your odds. Chris Moneymaker comes to mind as an example, having won the World Series of Poker a couple years back. If you watch the series, you'll see that he wins several big all-ins with dumb luck (winning against skilled players who had played the hand correctly).

Obviously, poker requires knowledge and skill to stay in the game, but winning is determined by luck. The player's skill cannot control the cards being dealt.

Tho there seems to be a fairly large difference between poker, being interactive, and slot machines and lotteries, so perhaps the arguement is moot. I just see there being as large a difference between video game competitions and poker...

.Sis
 
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