Everything in real-time(20+fps) rendering can be considered "tricks", but I don't think we need any more antagonism when it comes to Vs. discussions & double entendres.
We do want civil discussions, correct?
The Post-Processed Graphics Comparison Thread for The Order 1886 *beard split*
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We do want civil discussions, correct?
L. Scofield
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Yes but I was responding to the statement that besides the IQ there was nothing in Unity (PC version) that competes with The Order. Those pictures show otherwise, whether they have the same IQ or are jaggy fests. Lighting is the same, geometry is the same, the materials are the same, etc...
So what would you have me call them? Believability enhancement manipulation techniques?
I'd still have my doubts any game can beat Crysis 3 maxed on a hefty PC.
I had forgot The Order is using a bit of a cheat though, with 1920X800 rendering. For some reason I had filed that off in my mind all this time as "it's hardly any less pixels", but I did the calc and it's 1.5 some million instead of 2. It actually is significant. It's akin in pixel count to Dying Light's 1536X1080 on XO. While being a bit more pixels than 900P. I guess that puts it in common with another of this gen's graphics beasts, Ryse.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It will be interesting if in the late years of this gen sub 1080 (in exchange for better graphics) is common on PS4 (since it already is on X1). My guess is it wont be. Just as 720P stayed a benchmark last gen (even if quite a few games cheated).
The thing that amazes me about Ryse is that Crytek did it while working with what we have come to find out was a pretty pathetic early X1 SDK. It must have been like working with one hand tied behind their back.
I had forgot The Order is using a bit of a cheat though, with 1920X800 rendering. For some reason I had filed that off in my mind all this time as "it's hardly any less pixels", but I did the calc and it's 1.5 some million instead of 2. It actually is significant. It's akin in pixel count to Dying Light's 1536X1080 on XO. While being a bit more pixels than 900P. I guess that puts it in common with another of this gen's graphics beasts, Ryse.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It will be interesting if in the late years of this gen sub 1080 (in exchange for better graphics) is common on PS4 (since it already is on X1). My guess is it wont be. Just as 720P stayed a benchmark last gen (even if quite a few games cheated).
The thing that amazes me about Ryse is that Crytek did it while working with what we have come to find out was a pretty pathetic early X1 SDK. It must have been like working with one hand tied behind their back.
Billy Idol
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Wouldn't it be much fairer to compare PS4 AC:U to The Order? You know...limited closed platform and such...the arguments we bring here the last couple of years, yadda yadda etc etc?
It is really a complement to RAD that people need to resort to 4k res max settings PC shots to make their point that The Order is not the best looking game across all platforms
It is really a complement to RAD that people need to resort to 4k res max settings PC shots to make their point that The Order is not the best looking game across all platforms
VFX_Veteran
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Can you please elaborate on the "graphic quality" you say you see? For example, what about the graphics? Is it the materials? lighting? animation? film grain? Desaturated 'photoreal' colors? I'm just curious since no one ever mentions any one thing that makes it superior to other games.
VFX_Veteran
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Wouldn't it be much fairer to compare PS4 AC:U to The Order? You know...limited closed platform and such...the arguments we bring here the last couple of years, yadda yadda etc etc?
It is really a complement to RAD that people need to resort to 4k res max settings PC shots to make their point that The Order is not the best looking game across all platforms
Not really.. it's more of a response to "this is the best looking game I've ever seen on ANY platform" that brings max settings PC games into the picture. And it will always be max on PC. why would anyone compare a PC game on medium settings or at 1080p when that's not the max of what the game has to offer?
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It's more of a showing that AC:Unity has every bit of art direction and material superiority that the Order brings.. plus better lighting.
IMHO, The Order brings everything together (IQ, lighting, textures, etc...) as a whole, not just one particular part of the graphic pipeline. That doesn't mean it's the best at one particular aspect... It's just the integration of everything that makes it unbelievable.
Sure, PC games like Crysis 3, Alien Isolation, ACU could whoop The Order at a higher levels of precision with lighting, shadowing, AA, AF and so on... but these higher quality settings don't always guarantee the needed look for what one is aiming for. RAD fulfilled it needs in that department, given the hardware (PS4) limitations.
All this talk about trickery and being fake effects is quite dumb for a technical site... most, if not all, console and PC games have to rely on certain trade offs and work arounds on achieving a certain effect or look. We should be congratulating RAD on pushing the GFX (graphics) envelope across any platform... which in turn will (should) push other developers beyond their comfort zone.
Lastly, I'm a diehard PC guy... with the hardware(s) on backing it up. That being said, I don't particular care for this PC elitist attitude that tends to crop over the Internet, especially in console threads. Hopefully there can be some real discussion of how RAD achieved their goal (CGI look and feel), not mockery of cheating/trickery/fake/etc BS talk that's going on.
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I also own fairly good PC and there is a lot of good looking games out there, but in the Order 1886 its the first time I've got an impression during gameplay, that I'm watching offline rendered CGI. In other games there is always something, that hints their "realtime nature". And the Order 1886 can really fool me otherwise. I think that main reason for that is asset quality, which stands out among other titles and perfect combination of lighting, AA and post-processing techniques, which are commonly used elswhere but never to such a good effect
L. Scofield
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Wouldn't it be much fairer to compare PS4 AC:U to The Order? You know...limited closed platform and such...the arguments we bring here the last couple of years, yadda yadda etc etc?
It is really a complement to RAD that people need to resort to 4k res max settings PC shots to make their point that The Order is not the best looking game across all platforms
If people didn't want comparisons with high-end PC games they shouldn't have said this game looks better than them lol.
I stole these from the GAF's console screenshot thread:
Xbox One:
Playstation 4:
(dat fabric shader)
I guess props are in order for Ubisoft since the console screenshots fooled many into thinking they were downsampled 4k PC shots
This is a perfect example of talking a lot but saying nothing. Give us specifics on how The Order is pushing the GFX envelop across any platform. Proof is most welcome.
Post proof of what? That The Order is gorgeous looking game? That most major gaming sites have agreed - has gotten closer than any other game when it come to CGI/Cinematic presentation.
No. There is enough videos and photos out there... and frankly you're to argumentative on taking serious.
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Billy Idol
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When you do not understand what my argument is (bringing up that AC:U is open world all the time, without looking at the impact what this has on the closed platform), it is useless to discuss anyway...
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L. Scofield
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Blah blah blah. Specifics. And evidence to support your argument. Thanks.
You mean in the sense that it's a settled matter that ACU is the better looking game?
Billy Idol
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RAD can be proud...they left really really deep impressions on both. Just count the number of threads and posts both spawn to argue/discuss/beg that people understand they are wrong and the order is just average looking video game with average tec
And this is the perfect example of what I am talking about - AC Unity looks gorgeous during cut scenes - attention to detail is unbelivable. But during gameplay - look at the textures, look at the objects - it is all simpilified and far from polished. And in the Order 1886 what you experience on the screen during gameplay is identical to cut scenes
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Ironically this spawned Order thread just makes me want to play Unity more
I hope there is an incoming sale soon.
edit: I can see it's £25 on Amazon UK. Damn. Ordered. Get it Ordered? No, ok. Please yourself.
I hope there is an incoming sale soon.
edit: I can see it's £25 on Amazon UK. Damn. Ordered. Get it Ordered? No, ok. Please yourself.
Post-FX.So what would you have me call them? Believability enhancement manipulation techniques?
Doesn't look the remotest bit like a real person to me. This does though...I stole these from the GAF's console screenshot thread:
Xbox One:
If day-glo fake tan is your idea of realism, I can understand preferring that...Playstation 4:
I completely disagree. I've seen people, myself included, walking around with pink ears and cheeks just like the above shot of Isabeau D'Argyll when it's cold. Victorian London, it's going to be single degree temperatures (C), and not much warmer indoorsl, and she won't be wearing make-up.
Real life pink person
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Isn't the girl in Unity being lit by candle light? Plus, the temperate climates of Paris is higher than that of London. Perhaps both games are historically recreating their respective locale's temperatures of 100+ years ago as well! 
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