The old and unwieldy GTA4 thread*
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They advertise XB360 as the cheapest and best place to play GTAIV with unique content, and only $280 for the arcade, and yet anyone who buys the arcade can't get the unique content and needs to pony up lots for an HDD.Indeed I didnt understand anything
I smell another Class Action Lawsuit heading MS's way!
Gradthrawn
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I say screw the Core/Acrade users at every turn. That'll learn em for buying an HDD-less console, and holding back the rest of us. Learn Microsoft for releasing an HDD-less console, too!
GTA should require the hard drive, even if it doesn't even use it.I may be bit biased, though...
"They advertise XB360 as the cheapest and best place to play GTAIV with unique content."
That statement is true for the Pro and even true for the arcade as a Pro or a Arcade + HDD is cheaper than a 40Gb PS3.
For MS to get in trouble is if they somehow imply that an arcade itself minus any upgrades is capable of playing the DLC.
to get fairly in trouble.
If they advertise DLC only on XB360 but don't explicitly state it as requiring an HDD, that's not really underhanded. Short-sighted, maybe. And if they specifically advertise the Arcade for GTA, wrong. But as it is, some folks may get the wrong idea but that's more their fault for not doing their research. However it could still land MS in trouble because people don't like to take responsibility for their own actions and choices!Does DLC like this require live gold or is it "free" to purchase?
No DLC require gold (but if its something like multiplayer addon maps, you cannot play them without gold anyway), XBL silver (free) lets you download anything xbl gold does.
Berek
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I assume that this will also delay any sort of GTA 4 for the PC as well. They usually have a six-nine month turnaround time to develop the game on the PC .
One of the things I'm looking forward to with GTA 4 is the enhanced graphics. The gameplay was always fairly decent, but the graphics always seemed sub-par. They didn't "flow" like many games do, even if they weren't the highest detail.
.One of the things I'm looking forward to with GTA 4 is the enhanced graphics. The gameplay was always fairly decent, but the graphics always seemed sub-par. They didn't "flow" like many games do, even if they weren't the highest detail.
DuckThor Evil
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Sometimes a demo can be gold exclusive for a short period until silver users can download them.
I assume that this will also delay any sort of GTA 4 for the PC as well. They usually have a six-nine month turnaround time to develop the game on the PC
One of the things I'm looking forward to with GTA 4 is the enhanced graphics. The gameplay was always fairly decent, but the graphics always seemed sub-par. They didn't "flow" like many games do, even if they weren't the highest detail.
Same here. I'm actually expecting this game to be a backwards step in gameplay compared to San Andreas as I absolutely loved the huge sprawlingness of its world with all the different environments and cities, plus the roleplaying elements were you could build up your character etc... I understand both of those will be missing from GTA4.
I'm sure it will be amazing nonetheless just like GTA3 was but the one i'm really looking forward to is GTA5/6 that combines the graphics of 4 with the size and variety of San Andreas. Hell I would just be happy with a revamped San Andreas! I loved that game!
to get fairly in trouble.
"If they advertise DLC only on XB360 but don't explicitly state it as requiring an HDD."
You can't logically or reasonable insinuate that advertising "DLC only on the XB360" means that it can be played on an arcade with no upgrading. Any lawsuit brought forth would get dismissed quite easily and set up the plaintiffs to reimburse MS's attorney fees.
It does not sound that unlikely to me, afaik you still have storage cards on the arcade. I am sure a lawyer could find a sneaky way around this.
C'mon guys, there lots of other products out there that need optional purchases to support future enhancements. A dlc lawsuit would go nowhere. In any case, having to buy an add on hdd to play the dlc is better than not being able to play it at all. Look how much people have paid to be able to play Rockband. If they really want the dlc, then they will just get an hdd at xmas. If not, then they can still get a dirt cheap 360 core and play the main 100 hour game. They get to play an epic game for what appears may be less than the cost of a Wii. Everyone wins.
I strongly recommend you to read up on law, instead of writing wishfull thinking.
Just because the DLC is avaliable for the X360, does not mean you can sue them if the DLC doesn't fit the arcade pack, the DLC is avaliable for you download no matter what SKU you have, you just dont have enough room to store it, thats not MS fault.
Just like people didn't sue Sony because they couldn't save games without a memory card that you had to buy, this is the same.
For God's sake! I'm browsing the beloved B3D for a quick bite of console news before my market opens and bam I see that "GTA4 is Delayed!"
Please change the thread title before someone gets a heart attack! Gadzuks!!!!
Rock Star has already mentioned that the city will be smaller but the world's mechanics/gameplay will have a more intimate feel because of this. Maybe they are implying we can enter more buildings.
Please change the thread title before someone gets a heart attack! Gadzuks!!!!
Rock Star has already mentioned that the city will be smaller but the world's mechanics/gameplay will have a more intimate feel because of this. Maybe they are implying we can enter more buildings.
My impression was there was going to be a lot more buildings you can enter
So as long as Core/Arcade users delete some stuff they are good to go for DLC then?
Sorry, I think whole thing is off topic and really uninteresting, probably even fanboyish but couldn't help myself when you presented your logic with implied credibility of your occupation/education.
I don't think you need to be a lawyer to see one of the cases requires you to buy additional relatively expensive hardware, not to mention absence of questionable ads that implied file saving without the need for available space or memcard. Of course I haven't read law or anything.
As I said when I remarked on the lawsuit thing, there's not a fair legal challenge here. If the box is marked with requirements, job done. My only piont with the Class Action Lawsuit was some gungho maniacs will sue over the slightest issue, and MS would thus be looking at someone complaining. There's no point turning this thread into 'the Law regards game content advertising' thread because it isn't. If you really want to debate whether MS are breaking the law by not declaring an HDD or xxx MB of Flash is required to download the GTA DLC, please start another thread.
Maybe off topic...
Guys you see this?
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17832]
( Take-Two will jump to EA?)
Guys you see this?
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17832]
( Take-Two will jump to EA?)
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