The Next-gen Situation discussion *spawn

Reading AndyH posts:

I have some hopes...

 

Well, the leaked specs don´t point that way. I wonder where all this hype comes from.

 

Let's see the games first shall we before jumping to a conclusion?

 

Games are going to look better, no body is questioning that. The question is, what will competition look like. If there was Nvidia in Durango I wouldn't really care about FLOPs, but being its AMD and its the same core as PS4, than there is no way they are going to match that kind of difference in theoretical performances.

 

Come on guys please ! stop with this apologetic discourse...I remember fighting against other members of the forum regarding what I called "myths" : "microsoft is wealthier than sony, so most probably microsoft would come up with a more powerful hardware", or "4 Gb of GDDR5 is simply impossible for a fall 2013 console, it would be too much expensive", or " a 7850 GPU level for a fall 2013 console is impossible, look at TDP and the cost and the heat and...., but what about these GPUs in laptops ? its impossible for consoles, binning, costs, yields..."...etc

and now suddenly 4 Gb of GDDR5 becomes very basic" ? seriously...

and suddenly people are downplaying the importance of RAM bandwidth ?....whats next ?...

 

Any idea just how much stronger we can expect the next gen (with the rumours we have) to be compared to the PS3/XBOX 360. Will it be easy to see the difference or will it be more subtle considering we already got the low hanging fruit with HiDef this round.

 

But can durango run crysis ?

 

Crysis 2 and 3 maybe, but to adequately run Crysis 1 (and at 1080p 60fps) we'll have to wait for the gen after that

 

I agree but maybe you forget how much money Sony and Microsoft wants/can put into the project

 

You can put as much money as you want, but "laws of physics" are still there. You can have 400W console, but that will be a size of fridge and they don't want that.

Sony probably spent the most money on RAM, but I guess R&D was no where near close as it was in PS3 case.

 

360 has a Crysis port, so...

 

It'll be easy to see.

Go look at Watch Dogs, Star Wars 1313, and Crysis 3 videos to see what it will look like initially imo. I expect 3-4 years in you'll see better than those.

 

but money means "a lot of advanced R&D" and R&D can change the performances of what you can put it in while mantening the size and TDP of the competitor console, am I right?

some rumors are talking about 3d stacking and W2W for the durango cpu's, correct me if I'm wrong but this alone can reduce TDP with a factor of 75%
this can be done with R&B

 

Well , not on both consoles ...

 

That reasoning works even in the PC space. a 8800GTX still is probably more powerful than an APU or the graphics in most laptops, or what about a GTX 285 etc., or a 4890 (but that latter one fell out of driver support)

In truth not that many people run a 200 watt graphics card. Or sometimes we have a CPU on the edge of usability for games and upgrading it isn't justifiable for everything else we do with the computer.
It's sad but with a computer, I give more a shit about the keyboard and speakers than the CPU these days

Given money, I guess I'd buy the Durango console (slightly less power hungry that the other one) and for the computer a mechanical keyboard, memory/storage, maybe a case (going back to the 90s way of putting a small tower on a desk?, I'm fed up with the spaghetti of cables on the ground)

It's my gut feeling of the day, before I always thought, why get two powerful computers? (a PC and a console), if you can do with just one (a PC).
Now I'm like, I could keep my CPU for eight more years (if I buy a ddr3 mobo for it), down the road I could add a 1TB ssd and a couple 10TB hdd if so be it, and a 4K 24" or 27" display. But it wouldn't be good enough for gaming.. Upgrade treadmill has become meaningless. Desktops have even been running backwards. We've had the cheap mini ITX rigs (using for instance an E-350) and now, the Raspberry Pi

 

Is that why there are additional so-called "secret sauce" compute units to complement the Jaguar CPUs in Orbis ?

As for Microsoft, I suspect they are planning a family of products. So you will see very high end closed box gaming PC for enthusiasts, settop box and tablets for mainstream. All of them share some basic architecture.

It would explain (partly) why Valve enters with Steambox specs. ^_^

If this is the case, then I see the possibility of a multi-console renderer finally coming into play. 8^P

 

You're merely quoting

This image

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/misterxmedia/21549619/42533/42533_original.jpg

It's from Misterxmedia and it's a hilarious pipedream, this isn't one of those "wish it into reality" type scenarios. The specs are completely ridiculous.

Many people tend to forget this when they try to make analogs to last generation. It's near painful to see people go "well last generation X happened so it will happen this generation as well." They don't understand consoles are still stuck with the same 2005 power and thermal limits, while PC and hardware technology have moved on from such.

Indeed.

 

MS cannot tell AMD "here's a lot of money, make your GPUs 4 times better for the same price, invent new stuff".
Anything being developed in parallel would surely be a similar architecture. Look up every single console in the current generation, none of them broke that logic.

 

Wasn't Xbox 360 gpu something "new" comparing to 2005 GPUs? How many 2005 GPUs can run BF3, Crysis 3 or The Whitcher 2 as Xbox 360 do?