The Kraziness of Ken Kutaragi

[jvd]

I think he's only counter attacking his competition, who have been releasing ridiculous and childish comparisons since they entered the market.

And with the xbox 360 where was ms bashing sony ? The first bash from ms came after sony's press confrence in which kk and sony bashed ms .

Lets also not forget all the bashing sony did to sega abotu the saturn and then the dreamcast .

Sony never used the comparison tactics too much, for obvious reasons, what with PS2 being techincally inferior and all.

Really ? I remeber them sending the paper specs of 66million polygons to all the magazines and hyping up how much more powerfull the ps2 was to the dreamcast and how it will change the way we play and how thier online would be better than the dreamcast's .

Lots of comparisons there .

Sony have always been much much classier in their marketing than most of their competitors, be it consoles or other devices.

I disagree. The only launch i would say they were classier in was the ps1 days . But with the ps2 and now the ps3 they have been low class .

WOW! People aren't going to care at all. So the 90 million PS2 buyers aren't going to care about what Sony comes with next huh?

Wow when did ps2's get high def games ? Oh wait thats right you took your bolding out of context from the rest of what you wrote .

Face it mckmas that quote is 100% correct. The only place to get hd games will be the xbox 360 this holdiay season .

This is what Peter Moore said to CVG. Who here thinks MS will reach one billion people this way? I sure don't think so.

Mabye they wont. They will come as close as sony did with thier emotion engine though and I'm sure just as close as sony will with its cell network

Umm.... So Bill Gates is now making the release dates for videogames now? So Bill even if the game isn't ready what are you going to do. And thinking that a game will hurt the hardware launch of the PS3 is really crazy. Luckly for MS fans the devs with J. Allard have said that Halo3 will come out when it's ready.

Whats this have to do with anything mckmass ? Bill gates owns microsoft . If he wants the game launched when he wants it , it will launch. And yes launching a killer app that is a huge growing franchise at the ps3 launch will hurt it by taking away alot of hype and adding another big game to ms's line up . As for when its ready , its been said that halo 3 dev started before halo 2 finished and had a bigger team on it than halo 2. So when its ready will most likely be 2006 .

Its alot harder to sell a new console with launch titles whe nyour competition is launching its big guns and already has a ton of games out .

This comment isn't that bad, but isn't Sony a big part of the movie industry. What's the return? Are you kidding me the return should be obvious to Ballmer. Does he know that the PS3 can still play DVDs.

Sony is 2 studios of what 10 big ones and a dozen smaller ones ? I don't call that a big part of the movie industry .

As for 1080p he is correct. The standard still isn't fully set . The few tvs on the market are 24hz and 30hz . He is basicly saying why take some res that no one is supporting and play it up .

Also he never mentions anything about bluray or dvd . By medium he is talking about what you view it through , not storage medium

Both companies say things that can be called crazy. But for some reason the internet blog companies like to point this out more with Ken than anybody else.

Sure . Get me a quote of bill gates saying the malfunctioning plugs for the xbox was a design choice and I will agree ms says things just as crazy as sony .

THe guy said a defect was a design choice . WTF designs malfunctions into thier hardware ?

 

[one]

And with the xbox 360 where was ms bashing sony ? The first bash from ms came after sony's press confrence in which kk and sony bashed ms .

What forces you to punctuate criticism with a console lifecycle?
MS has been bashing PS2. Isn't it enough?

 

[Sis]

And Kutaragi will always be seen as a true leader. Its MS and Nintendo fanbois that always joke on Ken with not giving him credit to how he's changed the videogame industry. And him becoming better recognized for his remarks than his accomplishments is stupid.

If anybody looks at Ken Kutaragi and thinks "stupid guys who talks crazy" rather than looking at him as the father of the Playstation which changed the world of videogames then I would consider them meaningless.

Okay, I'll bite. How did the PlayStation "change the world of video gaming?" I'd give that credit to two companies: Atari and Nintendo.

Now, this is most definitely not a knock against KK's leadership--he knew that the video game market was looking to mature and took full advantage of that. But I don't know that "growing the market" is the same as "changing the world of video games."

.Sis

 

[one]

But I don't know that "growing the market" is the same as "changing the world of video games."

I don't know if it changed the world of video games, but it surely changed where advanced silicon is first applied to, as IBM suggests. Who expected cheap game consoles would be the technology driver in the Atari/NES/SNES era? At least that's why I enjoy this forum.

 

[Thegameman]

I think he's only counter attacking his competition, who have been releasing ridiculous and childish comparisons since they entered the market.
Sony never used the comparison tactics too much, for obvious reasons, what with PS2 being techincally inferior and all.
Obviously now that they seem to have slightly superior technology, they'll brag about it.
Sony have always been much much classier in their marketing than most of their competitors, be it consoles or other devices.

You've got to be kidding me.

All I've seen Sony do is put up comparisions and Microsoft is counter-attacking those comparisions. Both the comparisions and its responses are ridiculous. But to deny that Sony isnt childishly playing the numbers game is plain ignorant.

For every attack Kutaragi make towar MS,J Allard and company do like 3 in fact is realy funny seeing them talk about the HD era,before the PS3 was anounce then bounce back attacking and downgrading sony for having 1080P suport,then after flaming Sony they call Ati and tell them to say that the Xenos can do 1080P to if they want to.

All companys do the same,but J Allard and some other do attack sony on a much regular basis than the other way around.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

Comments are just comments until forumites take them and run with them. That's on both sides. Do we nitpick PR from other markets like fashion? How about the auto industry? Execs are expected to do some PR. I like KK and Allard b/c they have a vision and speak it. Who cares how they phrase it? It's the underlying concepts that are important. Last gen, there was some talk of jacking into the Matrix and whatnot, but no one really took that stuff seriously. I don't know why things would be different now. Take it for what it is, PR. Try and grasp the concepts and ideas KK and others are proposing. This is the guy who's at the wheel of the industry. His ideas for the future of gaming may seem wacky, but you need abstract and lofty goals so you have a distant target to reach. Otherwise, why even bother? Besides, if you were in his position, you'd probably want to wax philosophical on your own personal views of the industry. We do it all the time when we come up with game concepts. This is a guy who does the same for hardware/interface concepts. I love KK interviews. Always interesting to read IMO, even if most of it is just fluff. PEACE.

 

[Iron Tiger]

CELLular-style architecture is in its place,

um, yeah that'll be the day...

... when cows fly.

I'm not talking about the current CELL chips, but dynamically scalable architectures like what KK hinted at before. The CELLular architecture which is at the heart of his new computing concept is so much bigger than just the PS3's CELL chip, which is why IBM and Toshiba invested so heavily in it. There's millions of people out there that would LOVE to give up their Wintel boxes for something more intuitive and responsive. If STI can deliver a platform that eliminates x86's most persistent flaws, it will be a huge hit.

 

[mckmas8808]

I'm not talking about the current CELL chips, but dynamically scalable architectures like what KK hinted at before. The CELLular architecture which is at the heart of his new computing concept is so much bigger than just the PS3's CELL chip, which is why IBM and Toshiba invested so heavily in it. There's millions of people out there that would LOVE to give up their Wintel boxes for something more intuitive and responsive. If STI can deliver a platform that eliminates x86's most persistent flaws, it will be a huge hit.

Iron I don't think many people understand that which is sad. And jvd Sony did change the way videogames are viewed today. Sony took videogaming to the next level. The made videogames in home have a more mass appeal.

To me it seemed like since Sony got into the game people going to arcades and playing games has dropped. I don't have stats or any links but consoles are changing. I will go on a limb and say that these next gen systems PS3 and X360 alike will close the gap between consoles and PC games.

To me its only a matter of time when consoles catch up to PC games and hold their own weight through the life of the system. I think next-gen consoles will be the closes to do this. And Ken talked about this in one of his interviews.

 

[blakjedi]

xbox 1.5 anyone?

 

[Tap In]

xbox 1.5 anyone?

I like Sony and it's products in general but that kind of comment shows little class IMO.

Reading the comments from the Jeff X360 interview in the other thread (snipped into this thread by mckmas)... I see a difference in that IMO he was saying:

(paraphrased into my words)
we didn't need to attack like Sony was doing to us at E3 because what we're focusing on in our product presentation (for the next 4 months) is showing you a product that is DIFFERENT (services & software) than what has come before and when we're done (X360s are in people's homes come Holiday 05), we're confident that the kind of brute power display, theoretical chest pounding and downplaying of the competitors product (Xbox 1.5 comments etc) will be shown to be not as important as it may have appeared at the moment.

 

[patsu]

I dont really have an opinion of KK per se although i think its fair for him to be a fanbwoi for his lifes work. PS3 is the culmination of one of his dreams... of course he will promote it at other companies peril....

I am almost sure that he designed and built the PS3 for HIMSELF - to be the creator and manifestor of his dreams is a good thing. The PS3 is him and he will definitely defend it all costs until teh PS4 arrives

Miyamoto is an artist that makes games.
Kutaragi is an artist that makes consoles.

A business leader Kutaragi is not and the economic sense that goes into building something as expensive and difficult as the PS3 project is what he probably lacked and led to his demotion. Sony is in business to make money.

give him some slack...

My thoughts exactly. My sympathy and admiration goes to Mr. Kutaragi for weathering financial reports/flakes/mud/soup thrown in his face in Sony management meetings, and of course gamer forums. But you need strong determination and personality to keep the drive (and the whip cracking).

On another note, I don't read Japanese well enough to evaluate whether all the Kutaragi interview translations were done accurately. There are polite/soft forms of the Japanese language. I just don't know whether the translator (or even the interviewer) bother to capture the conversations in its true context. Words may come out wrong/too strong if subtle language nuances are removed.

Anyway... where is my PS 3 ? I'll probably get an XBox 360 on the same day too.

 

[Almasy]

xbox 1.5 anyone?

I like Sony and it's products in general but that kind of comment shows little class IMO.

LOL, if you think that has little class, then I don´t know what you´d say about Allard´s comment that the reason he wakes up in the morning is to one day see KK resignation letter.

At the end of the day, it´s pretty stupid to try to paint one side as a good one, both are at war with each other. Who started has little relevance.

 

[Tap In]

xbox 1.5 anyone?

I like Sony and it's products in general but that kind of comment shows little class IMO.

LOL, if you think that has little class, then I don´t know what you´d say about Allard´s comment that the reason he wakes up in the morning is to one day see KK resignation letter.

At the end of the day, it´s pretty stupid to try to paint one side as a good one, both are at war with each other. Who started has little relevance.

I've never read that quote but I have heard it (as you have again repeated it here).

If it's true (do you know where I can read it?) then I agree that was a classless comment also.


KK doesn't have the market cornered on classlessness by any means but by my count (reading the interviews) they are winning that part of the next gen battle.

 

[PARANOiA]

xbox 1.5 anyone?

I like Sony and it's products in general but that kind of comment shows little class IMO.

LOL, if you think that has little class, then I don´t know what you´d say about Allard´s comment that the reason he wakes up in the morning is to one day see KK resignation letter.

At the end of the day, it´s pretty stupid to try to paint one side as a good one, both are at war with each other. Who started has little relevance.

Almasy, good point that both sides are classless. But you'll see less people defending Allard than KK by a long, long way.

Allard's comments largely scream ignorance, whereas KK's largely scream arrogance, IMO.

 

[blakjedi]

xbox 1.5 anyone?

I like Sony and it's products in general but that kind of comment shows little class IMO.

LOL, if you think that has little class, then I don´t know what you´d say about Allard´s comment that the reason he wakes up in the morning is to one day see KK resignation letter.

At the end of the day, it´s pretty stupid to try to paint one side as a good one, both are at war with each other. Who started has little relevance.

Almasy, good point that both sides are classless. But you'll see less people defending Allard than KK by a long, long way.

Allard's comments largely scream ignorance, whereas KK's largely scream arrogance, IMO.

good distinction.

 

[mckmas8808]

Allard's comments largely scream ignorance, whereas KK's largely scream arrogance, IMO.

And that would be arrogance from dominating for the last decade in the videogame world. Sometimet the big gorilla likes to beat his chest hard in this wild jungle of a market.

 

[Inane_Dork]

Allard's comments largely scream ignorance, whereas KK's largely scream arrogance, IMO.

And that would be arrogance from dominating for the last decade in the videogame world. Sometimet the big gorilla likes to beat his chest hard in this wild jungle of a market.

*spin* *spin* *spin*

 

[Clashman]

People will remember Micheal Jordan for his 6 championships with the Bulls not him playing with the Wizards. People will remember the guy that created the gameboy not him creating the Vitural Boy.

Catch my drift?

What do you think Mike Tyson is going to be remembered for?


Or Michael Jackson, for that matter?

 

[PARANOiA]

Without wanting to sidetrack the discussion, I think KK isn't doing himself or Sony a favour with anyone but people who already own a Sony product.

He's made two very successful products, I completely agree. But he's rude and up himself (as we aussies say )

I much prefer the image in my head of a true gentlemen like Yu Suzuki.

 

[mckmas8808]

What do you think Mike Tyson is going to be remembered for?
Or Michael Jackson, for that matter?

Mike Tyson hasn't won a Heavyweight title in years. And Micheal Jackson has lost that special magic that he had for many years as a singer and entertainer. Those two guys have stop performing at their top level years ago.

I think Tyson had the belt like over 10 years ago. And Micheal Jackson's last great album came out around 1992. Yet Ken has came out with the PSP with is looking good so far and is keeping up with projections.

You fall off when you stop producing. And since he got demoted I think the chances of him creating bigger and better things for the Playstation brand has risen. So no you can not compare Ken K. to Jackson or Tyson. It's just not right. And isn't Ken still the champion in the videogame industry? Whose taken his belt?