The Fanboy Wars, Continue They Do ...

I feel like I wield some amazing spinoff powers, any post I reply to is also dragged into the spinoff.

I must use my powers only for good. :yep2:
 
I must use my powers only for good. :yep2:
I myself am immune. I enjoy electronic gaming in all forms too much to allow myself to be goaded...

Back in the day though, I could get irrationally worked up about blitheringly stupid people preferring the (obviously garbage) Atari ST over the (obviously far superior!) Commodore Amiga, or those deluded Sega idiots who championed the (obviously trash!) Megadrive over the (again obviously far superior) Super Nintendo Entertainment System. (Well, the name wasn't quite so superior perhaps...)
 
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When a company continuously invests in making the games you enjoyed the most in your life, despite the lack of profits other than indirect platform market gain, it's not irrational to want that company to succeed.

It's just that a lot of people are full of shit when arguing about it. I am allergic to bullshit. Benadryl doesn't work so far, but scotch seems to be an effective allergy relief.
 
When a company continuously invests in making the games you enjoyed the most in your life, despite the lack of profits other than indirect platform market gain, it's not irrational to want that company to succeed.

That's not really the problem, though. It's directly coupling the need for one's preferred company to succeed with the need for their competition to fail and being emotionally invested in same.

Most markets are not a zero-sum game and there's usually room for multiple companies to achieve varying levels of success that can enable them all to continue to provide the goods and services that fans of those companies enjoy. The impulse to want to see the competition of your favored company fail is almost always a manifestation of simple tribalism and like most examples of tribalism it is a giant waste of emotional and intellectual energy.
 
[That's not really the problem, though. It's directly coupling the need for one's preferred company to succeed with the need for their competition to fail and being emotionally invested in same.

Only a fool would crave this. Markets innovate in environments of competition and when you're in second place you try harder. Witness Sony last gen and Microsoft this gen. If you remove the competition you also remove any incentive for the remaining party(s) to compete.

I really don't get any of the fanboy stuff. It boggles my mind that people get so emotional about a plastic box. :nope: Why care so much about a company or the execs but people talk about them like they are close friends. :oops:
 
Art is emotional. Don’t be surprised that people have an emotional attachment to an art form or specific pieces of art.

It's honestly kinda stupid of people to ignore this and condescending for people to pretend they rise above emotion. And of course if you live in the “western world” where all platforms readily exist and can afford all platforms it’s just kinda classist to pretend everyone has the access you have.
 
Only a fool would crave this. Markets innovate in environments of competition and when you're in second place you try harder. Witness Sony last gen and Microsoft this gen. If you remove the competition you also remove any incentive for the remaining party(s) to compete.

Yup. Companies in a position to take their customers for granted almost always abuse that position.

I really don't get any of the fanboy stuff. It boggles my mind that people get so emotional about a plastic box. :nope: Why care so much about a company or the execs but people talk about them like they are close friends. :oops:

I think this, in itself, is harmless. If this is the limit of how someone's fandom manifests, I consider them an "enthusiast". I like enthusiasts!

It starts to get toxic, IMO, when someone can't tolerate those who aren't as enthusiastic as they are about something. This is where I tend to start viewing someone as a fanboy.

Most toxic of all, though, are those who can't tolerate someone else's fandom for something other than what they themselves are fans of. This is where you see every single post from some forum members in threads on certain subjects being negative. No one should be OK with being that person.
 
Art is emotional. Don’t be surprised that people have an emotional attachment to an art form or specific pieces of art.

It's honestly kinda stupid of people to ignore this and condescending for people to pretend they rise above emotion. And of course if you live in the “western world” where all platforms readily exist and can afford all platforms it’s just kinda classist to pretend everyone has the access you have.

Certain emotions and ideas don't benefit anyone when they are broadcast, though.
 
I really don't get any of the fanboy stuff. It boggles my mind that people get so emotional about a plastic box. :nope: Why care so much about a company or the execs but people talk about them like they are close friends. :oops:
Well, I admit I'm a bit of a fanboy, mostly because of a purely emotional reason: the original PS was my first console, the only console I ever received as a gift (in fact, one of the few gifts I've received in all my life), so it has a special place in my heart. I spent innumerable hours playing the few titles I had, and since then I've been kind of a follower of the PlayStation brand. Besides this sentimental factor, I think it's pretty objective to state that Sony had made a very good job with their debut in the market console, and their success lasts until this day. SEGA stopped developing hardware. Nintendo went down a bit and its place as a hardcore system developer has been highly debated in the last years. The Xbox was a newcomer which started pretty low and now it has a place almost on par with the PS in the podium, but it's undeniable that the PS brand is stronger, overall, and that the amount of exclusives is better appreciated, usually.

Besides all the previous facts, I insist: my emotional part is just that, and I even recognize that it can be considered kind of stupid, I know, but don't we, human beings, feel attached to some things just because? What if I prefer one colour to another? I don't think this is bad, per se: the bad thing is to manipulate facts about the things you don't prefer just because of that, you don't prefer them. I don't have a problem to acknowledge that Microsoft has done a great job in so many aspects, that the new console is more powerful than the PS4 Pro, and that some of their exclusives are really good. It's not my job to be biased nor to say that everything Microsoft do is garbage.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Indeed.

But ugly is to the bone.
Lol, I read "butt-ugly". :D
 
Art is emotional. Don’t be surprised that people have an emotional attachment to an art form or specific pieces of art.

It's honestly kinda stupid of people to ignore this and condescending for people to pretend they rise above emotion. And of course if you live in the “western world” where all platforms readily exist and can afford all platforms it’s just kinda classist to pretend everyone has the access you have.
Yep.

This is not a Kitchen Aid blender which tomorrow you can just buy a Vitamix if you're not satisfied and have a lot of money to burn on a blender (no intelligent person would buy a crappy blendtec, obviously). Your friends list, all your favorite games, ongoing franchises you love... This is not a simple replaceable appliance. And those who appreciate game as art will be more emotional about physical media, those in countries with lopsided currency valuation will care a lot about used games, too.

Whether it's a rational position is a case by case basis. Ask someone why they care, sometimes you'll get an honest introspective answer, other times it will expose the person is full of crap (in the extreme case you get the mrxmedia type).

Ask about console power.
Physical media.
Esram vs gddr5.
External power supplies.
Axial vs radial fans.
Console size.
First party games.
Bluray playback.
Price.
Motion gaming, VR.
Games.

"I hate XYZ" or "I love XYZ" is a valid and potentially honest reason, except when it's a 180 based on the brand publicity or new product.

You see very mild cases, possibly subconscious, in prediction threads, where someone's bias makes them "predict" a much more powerful platform for their favorite brand, despite both companies having access to exactly the same parts and the same tech from AMD. Or predictions of dramatic sales trend changes, optimistic towards the favorite brand.
 
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Well, I admit I'm a bit of a fanboy, mostly because of a purely emotional reason: the original PS was my first console, the only console I ever received as a gift (in fact, one of the few gifts I've received in all my life), so it has a special place in my heart. I spent innumerable hours playing the few titles I had, and since then I've been kind of a follower of the PlayStation brand. Besides this sentimental factor, I think it's pretty objective to state that Sony had made a very good job with their debut in the market console, and their success lasts until this day. SEGA stopped developing hardware. Nintendo went down a bit and its place as a hardcore system developer has been highly debated in the last years. The Xbox was a newcomer which started pretty low and now it has a place almost on par with the PS in the podium, but it's undeniable that the PS brand is stronger, overall, and that the amount of exclusives is better appreciated, usually.

Besides all the previous facts, I insist: my emotional part is just that, and I even recognize that it can be considered kind of stupid, I know, but don't we, human beings, feel attached to some things just because? What if I prefer one colour to another? I don't think this is bad, per se: the bad thing is to manipulate facts about the things you don't prefer just because of that, you don't prefer them. I don't have a problem to acknowledge that Microsoft has done a great job in so many aspects, that the new console is more powerful than the PS4 Pro, and that some of their exclusives are really good. It's not my job to be biased nor to say that everything Microsoft do is garbage.

This is why I choose to make a distinction between the positive and negative aspects of fandom and save the application of the term fanboy, which has negative connotations, for those who engage in those negative aspects.
 
What could be considered beautiful about someone spewing a constant stream of negativity towards something that they otherwise have shown no interest in?

I will not attempt to help you make up for your own lack of imagination. I will just say you should remain bi-curious.
 
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