I am as negative as they come for this debacle , but yes forza 7 did look a generation above driveclub, which doesn't even look that good despite Sony fans' claims, and native 4k>>>>>>>>checkerboarding. Suddenly most pro titles look blurry to me. Still not getting an x but maybe a good desktop pc should be in the cards for me.
The Annual E3 Microsoft press conference thread, 2017 edition
Just now catching up before bed. Once conference was over I had to work on removing kitchen cabinets for our kitchen remodel. 
Rating? Bleh? Is that allowed? OK, a C+ then.
Kinda anti-climatic. We pretty much new the look, the name & price before the show. Like others said they didn't do enough to sell me on the price. It might be worth it but I won't pay for it. Missed opportunity on a new Elite controller with Bluetooth support. XB1X color sucked & although it the ”smallest" the Twitter pics say it's the same as the 1S.
Games? Ori!!! Pre-ordering that. Crackdown 3 looked good & Terry Crews he was perfect spokesman lol. Could've talked about cloud destruction though. Anthem & Metro looked neat. Other titles that have me excited are State of Decay 2, Life is Strange & Super Lucky's Tale. Can't wait for Cuphead & Sea of Thieves.
True lack of more first party games was a head scratcher.
That's about it. C+ rating, what a waste. :/
Liked last year's E3 better.
Tommy McClain
Rating? Bleh? Is that allowed? OK, a C+ then.
Kinda anti-climatic. We pretty much new the look, the name & price before the show. Like others said they didn't do enough to sell me on the price. It might be worth it but I won't pay for it. Missed opportunity on a new Elite controller with Bluetooth support. XB1X color sucked & although it the ”smallest" the Twitter pics say it's the same as the 1S.
Games? Ori!!! Pre-ordering that. Crackdown 3 looked good & Terry Crews he was perfect spokesman lol. Could've talked about cloud destruction though. Anthem & Metro looked neat. Other titles that have me excited are State of Decay 2, Life is Strange & Super Lucky's Tale. Can't wait for Cuphead & Sea of Thieves.
True lack of more first party games was a head scratcher.
That's about it. C+ rating, what a waste. :/
Liked last year's E3 better.
Tommy McClain
Haven't watched the conference yet but saw most of the major titles, a few of them really wowed me graphically such as Anthem, Metro and DBZ Fighters. Interestingly enough the first party games are quite a let down in a graphics view, Forza 7 tho has pristine IQ, the lighting still sucks, lots of blurry textures on the road, rocky hills and weak rain effect but hey it's 4k/60. Crack Down 3? Haha what a joke that game was, honestly if lacking the destruction wasn't bad enough, everything else simply looked early gen, guess that's why they never showed it too often. The lack of a Gears or Halo showcase was a BIG mistake.
But man if X1X could indeed run Anthem and Metro at 4k/30 native then consider me a unit sold.
But man if X1X could indeed run Anthem and Metro at 4k/30 native then consider me a unit sold.
shredenvain
Regular
I actually think the textures on forza 7 looked pretty good. Especially the sand themed track. It also sounded like they added dynamic weather as well. The game looked clean as hell.
The new Metro title looked amazing to me. The first tunnel with the tree roots seemed to show a dramatic increase in polygons over the Metro redux release.
The enemy creature models were impressively detailed as well as the over world.
Anthem really impressed me graphically as well. I'm a huge Destiny player so it has my interest. It probably had some of the most detailed foilage and great draw distance.
The games above seemed to offer a lot of improvements graphically over both xbox one and Ps4 aside from the boost in pixel count. They seemed to have either higher lod settings or higher poly counts than any current gen game I have seen on my Xbox or ps4.
I was disappointed in the lack of any surprise first party titles at the show.
The new Metro title looked amazing to me. The first tunnel with the tree roots seemed to show a dramatic increase in polygons over the Metro redux release.
The enemy creature models were impressively detailed as well as the over world.
Anthem really impressed me graphically as well. I'm a huge Destiny player so it has my interest. It probably had some of the most detailed foilage and great draw distance.
The games above seemed to offer a lot of improvements graphically over both xbox one and Ps4 aside from the boost in pixel count. They seemed to have either higher lod settings or higher poly counts than any current gen game I have seen on my Xbox or ps4.
I was disappointed in the lack of any surprise first party titles at the show.
djskribbles
Legend
Vocally they said 'exclusive' for both timed and console exclusive, but the text said otherwise.
Timed exclusive = Console launch exclusive
Console exclusive = Console/W10 exclusive
Multiplatform = No exclusive wording, just World Premier
The majority of those '22 exclusives' they showed were timed exclusives. Only Sea of Thieves, Ori, Crackdown, Forza and State of Decay were console exclusives AFAIK.
Most of the timed exclusives were smaller/indie games. Player Unknown Battlegrounds is a popular PC game, so that's probably the biggest one.
Timed exclusive = Console launch exclusive
Console exclusive = Console/W10 exclusive
Multiplatform = No exclusive wording, just World Premier
The majority of those '22 exclusives' they showed were timed exclusives. Only Sea of Thieves, Ori, Crackdown, Forza and State of Decay were console exclusives AFAIK.
Most of the timed exclusives were smaller/indie games. Player Unknown Battlegrounds is a popular PC game, so that's probably the biggest one.
Isn't Ori now on PS4/PC so safe to assume also timed? It looked very nice but I'd like to see some actual gameplay.
It kind of reminds me of the car Homer designed, not the hideous looks, but the fact it was designed for a very small market and incredibly expensive. As I said previously the Pro offers a better value proposition (currently) and is selling much less than PS4.
shredenvain
Regular
Ori is published by Microsoft so its a "console exclusive".
djskribbles
Legend
Don't think so... maybe you're thinking of a different game?
As I said in one of these threads, XB1X will sell well at launch because it appeals to existing XB1 owners. And (to a much lesser extent) people on the fence between console and PC.
But I agree with DrJay24 and that I think they over compensated and made the box too expensive. It's not that the box isn't worth it value wise, it's that $500+ consoles traditionally don't sell well outside of their core market... XB1 and PS3 were examples of that.
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The conference started off strong, but then the games they showed following the XB1X reveal were, for the most part, lackluster. Then they finished it off with a (impressive) multiplatform game and the price.Did not watch, just read the this thread, was interesting to see how excited the first posts was and then how people felt it did not live up to their expectations as it went forward.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the XBOX will sell vs PS4P, I expect it will sell more, since it's a generational (small one?) leap for MS vs the Pro that looks to only be a boost mode for Sony
I also think XB1X will sell better than Pro, at least initially. As you said, it's a bigger jump, so it's very appealing for Xbox fans. Plus MS is marketing XB1X a lot more than Sony and pushing it more as a new console. Sony and MS have different expectations for their mid-gen consoles.
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Did not watch, just read the this thread, was interesting to see how excited the first posts was and then how people felt it did not live up to their expectations as it went forward.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the XBOX will sell vs PS4P, I expect it will sell more, since it's a generational (small one?) leap for MS vs the Pro that looks to only be a boost mode for Sony If MS put out more 1st party XBOX games that looked stellar, I think more people would have been have more positive about the show and more forgiving about the price. Heck, we had to buy the PS3 at 600 USD, so 500 for the XBOX is not bad, then again, it's disposable income people might not have in the mainstream segment.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the XBOX will sell vs PS4P, I expect it will sell more, since it's a generational (small one?) leap for MS vs the Pro that looks to only be a boost mode for Sony
If MS put out more 1st party XBOX games that looked stellar, I think more people would have been have more positive about the show and more forgiving about the price. Heck, we had to buy the PS3 at 600 USD, so 500 for the XBOX is not bad, then again, it's disposable income people might not have in the mainstream segment.
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Did not watch, just read the this thread, was interesting to see how excited the first posts was and then how people felt it did not live up to their expectations as it went forward.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the XBOX will sell vs PS4P, I expect it will sell more, since it's a generational (small one?) leap for MS vs the Pro that looks to only be a boost mode for Sony
For me the hype is directly related to the value factor. For 399, it's a great value based on what was shown. 449 makes it a toss up. 499 is just a no go.
If they have some ridiculous trade in value for existing owners, it might skew that perception but I highly doubt it.
Yes, Ori started as a true exclusive (or was sold as) but then came out on PC. Don't know why I thought it was also on PS4.
From my experience Xbox fans are generally more interested in having the most powerful console, last gen my Xbox friends gave no end of ribbing on the face offs and I know they have been 'hurt' by MS letting Sony take the upper hand on that. I'm pretty sure this will sell really well to begin with and fizzle out pretty quickly regardless of the fact MS are pushing harder...the end result is that all this seems to be offering is 4K for double the price and adoption is still too low.
It kind of reminds me of the X360 having a much better online, it was too early in console gaming to mean people would leave Sonyland just to have a better online experience, this is like that - Pro offers good enough for those who want it. Next gen it will be far more important and the consoles will have the power to do more than 'just' give us 4K (yes, I know it does a little more than just 4K - I just mean lot's more!).
I can't believe people seriously expected $400. Logic made it obvious this was at least $450 but people insisted MS would take a hit for some reason!?
With the XBOs half the price (new) it makes upgrading expensive, those with OXBO would likely have to spend ~$350-400 but those people interested likely already upgraded so you have a ~$300-$350 upgrade for little gain - you'd need to have a 4K TV to gain anything like you'd feel worthwhile (IMHO)
Crackdown 3 looked much better two years ago :neutral: guess it was the cloud computing that provided all the extra power then...
Part of me not finding anything of interest from MS E3 presentation must come from me not owning an xbox, but I was expecting at least one xbo/xboxox exclusive title (or at least a timed one), like Red Dead Redemption 2, which would've been a huge win for MS and assured success.
Have MS held some other events after E3 later in the year, with exclusives and bigger announcements saved until then? Because if this is what MS has in store for the next year or so...
Part of me not finding anything of interest from MS E3 presentation must come from me not owning an xbox, but I was expecting at least one xbo/xboxox exclusive title (or at least a timed one), like Red Dead Redemption 2, which would've been a huge win for MS and assured success.
Have MS held some other events after E3 later in the year, with exclusives and bigger announcements saved until then? Because if this is what MS has in store for the next year or so...
Three questions:
1) What was shown of Crackdown 3? Is the Cloud still a thing?
2) Did MS talk about forwards compatibility, "XBox Forever", sowing the seeds in the minds of games of a persistent platform?
3) Any VR?
1) What was shown of Crackdown 3? Is the Cloud still a thing?
2) Did MS talk about forwards compatibility, "XBox Forever", sowing the seeds in the minds of games of a persistent platform?
3) Any VR?
1) Naff all, just some (poor looking) footage of 'gameplay' - what's cloud?
2) Nope
3) Nope
1. Supposedly Cloud is for MP only and still in but no real show or details about it so far. Crackdown looked pretty bad all said and done. They won't commit to any of that I'd imagine until they know the specs of the next proper console
2. Nope. Instead they talked about implementing OG Xbox BC
3. No. They said before E3 they felt VR wasn't mature enough to put that level of effort into it yet. I agree with that point
