Star Citizen, Roberts Space Industries - Chris Roberts' life support and retirement fund [2012-]

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  1. PSman1700

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    Not too far off from DS i think. But like said above, abit hard to compare like for like. In total SC obviously looks next-gen compared to those. Walking sumilators aren't my thing though, dunno about that youtuber but he seems to be walking for ages.
     
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    Currently everything link to some planets is not impressive and I know the game is not finished but this not looking like worse than a next-generation game. It is looking worse than current-generation games. I will not admire the graphics of something ugly. ;) After face looks good, technology for creating the face is impressive and facial mocap using webcam too but out of this the ship and the world size and some technology I find the alpha of the game ugly for the moment.

    This is 7 years now and the production begins in 2014, 5 years and the result is not good and they have a budget of 250 million. I don't admire the idea of a game but the graphics I saw on a video or on-screen and this is not looking good.
     
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    Though true of any other title, and the curse of the development hell long-duration games, it seems SC has the will and opportunity to rewrite the entire game repeatedly. So in two years time, they might well start afresh with a new design not bogged down by legacy designs choices.
     
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    This is barren but it looks better than Star Citizen planet after they are procedurally generated but Death Stranding using the Decima engine, it is probably partially procedurally generated.
     
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    I might as well post the full res captures of those things instead of YT captures, give people something to chew on and critque more properly.
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    Yup, there it is. Right in this thread: people comparing Star Citizen to something like Ghost Recon Breakpoint which is an actual released game that went through quality control and certification on 4 different consoles plus the PC.
    Somehow, Star Citizen is being claimed as the better one despite not being a game at all.


    You are surprised that people are reacting in a vehemently negative way on the developer's "trickle truth" of slipped release dates (original release date for SQ42 was something like 2014) and its funding methods?


    I think you're right. You did well in not spending 5 minutes talking about why the game is controversial because there are others who did so extensively.

    What I do think is that viewers should have been made aware that the developer has a long history of controversy, and by putting money into them they're investing in something that has a large chance of never releasing.
    That's just 10 seconds in a sentence, and then "with that out of the way" you'd speak up about all the technical marvels (which I enjoyed and appreciate that you did BTW).

    I'm saying this as a 2012 backer (almost exactly 7 years ago), who did the leap of faith at the time believing the game would come. Out of empathy, I would like others to at least be warned of the facts because now (unlike 7 years ago) it seems clear to me that Chris Roberts doesn't really want to launch a game. Not as long as he has constant funding, at least.


    Crysis didn't cheat because at some point it went gold and it released. Some 5 years after its release, mid-to-high end hardware could run it flawlessly at 1200p.
    As I stated: 4 years ago I couldn't play the game decently. Now, I probably could play the alpha that released at the time fast enough with my Vega 64, but this GPU isn't good enough for their current builds.
    Star Citizen is a bunch of disconnected tech demos that constantly chase a moving target. 5 years from now, it'll have moved their recommended specs towards some hardware that will only be available to general audiences 10 years from now, and so on.


    1 - Shadow of the Colossus is a game that released. And on a $300 console, not a $2000 PC.
    2 - You don't really know how fast Star Citizen will run when you enable the whole thing instead of self-contained tech-demos with very limited gameplay.
    3 - AAA games running at 30FPS is great, I'm not a 60FPS purist. As long are they're playable games.
     
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    And this is the same this not looking good for the moment but the game is on Alpha stage. If the game is finish one day it will probably looking much better but now



    This is beautiful.
     
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    100% agree with Chris on this. On paper SC might be better technically than the best looking open world games: more polygons, higher res, higher res assets, bigger vistas, better image quality, RT lighting and such.

    But it's often ugly, not realistic at all and lack artistic vision.
     
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    I can see DF not wanting to be drawn into politics. I don't think they should be voicing consumer advice this way. Saying there are controversies and pointing people to them is I think fair enough. Ensuring they spell out, "this is just a look at the tech," is IMO fair practice and it's viewers/readers' fault if they take that as a game endorsement.
     
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    Can we please limit comparison to tech analysis or, at the very least, a critique of what's artistically 'better'. 'Beautiful' is a subjective term, so people need to qualify what they're seeing that they prefer and where games (and tech demos :p) are getting good results.
     
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    Well yes true, the worst of SC looks worse then the best of even older games then HZD i think :p
    Those planets will probably never be finished cause that's impossible.

    On the other hand, the whole of DS, as far as we know of looks like that. Or about. It's so barren (like the SC mountains), that it doesn't even impress all that much. HZD on the same engine does a much better job imo. With HDR, even on a non-Pro, it looks stunning, the attention to detail is very high and the animations are top notch. But comparing the best of HZD to the best of what SC has to offer, they don't compare, even though it's unfair seeing what hardware seperates them. For that the devs of HZD did a much better job though, how much they got out of that 2013 low end machine. And i'm sure we will approach SC graphics and beyond by the time real next-gen games come, across all platforms (pc/xbox/ps). But as for now it's only SC pushing SSD tech, the so much talked about thing for next gen, level of detail, vastness, assets etc.

    I also understand the whole thing behind SC, it's creators spending 250 million on the whole thing and it never finishes, it just doesn't do the game any good, and overshadows the tech/graphics for many.

    A playable tech-demo, none the less.

    SotC didn't compare to well to games of it's time either. It was a PS2 game by all standards, a very good looking one, but below 20fps most of the time wouldn't be acceptable today, would it?
    Like in the DF video, fast travel without an SSD would be just a stuttering mess. AAA games running 30fps with drops, then you have been too ambitious somewhere.


    Guys, i'm not defending the politics behind SC, it doesn't look better then other games in ALL departments either, but to discredit it's tech as a whole, and DF's video.... I mean Alex even mentioned the politics behind the game very well, he knew he was going to catch some negativity surrounding that, but on beyond3d forums, were only interested in the tech right? :p
     
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    I'm puzzled about SC. For a lot of things, I don't know if they are pushing boundaries, or just not optimizing. Like the performances with HDD vs SSD.

    Everything is looking good but not amazing imo. Optimisation is not having useless stuff too. Like seeing bullets in the canon, this kind of stuff... Seems to me they don't care about performances or bein smart, and rely on the latest hardware to make it run.
     
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    There is much more detail and polygons on the rock or ground and the draw distance is as impressive in Death Stranding.



    I saw footage of Mars the ground does not look like a flat texture.
     
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    Just imagine what they could do if the scale was smaller, or a less ambitious project, i agree on that. It still looks, although not in all departments, but in total, better then anything else out there.

    Then again, were comparing mountain terrain which SC clearly doesn't focus on. Their not light years apart either in that department, in my eyes.
    For the hardware though, RDR2 does a better job, requiring not more then a FX6300, GTX770 2GB (or comparable, ie 670), a HDD,and 8gb ram. That's optimisation, yes.
     
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    This one you can read about if you follow their game dev blogs or status updates.
    Originally the game engine was designed around standard HDD principles - preload with long load times and get in game and utilising as much of your system RAM as possible. But that was still causing them massive stuttering problems when large complex entities would need to be brought quickly on screen, stalling the game a lot since not everyone has 64 GB system ram. So they rewrote I/O to not be focused on sustained speed but rather burst i/o and multithreading - grabbing in tiny chunks of data constantly for different objects all the time. It had the positive aspect of greatly increasing performance if you had an SSD and also the positive aspect of the game loading much quicker overall on SSDs.
    They actually targetted the game to not work correctly on HDDs basically, but designed loading around that burst i/o that SSDs excell at.
    It made it so the game did not stall for example when a large carrier style ship would enter the view port/simulation range or when a planet would come into view.
     
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    So you're saying that Star Citizen devs need to be a little more down to earth.
     
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    I don't think making a 10 second disclaimer saying "beware this isn't a game and there are problems with development so far" is going into politics. People need to know CIG has been promising deadlines that get constantly pushed back, year after year.
    Everything is consumer advice, regardless of whether you frame it as a technical appreciation video, a review or a paid promotion.
     
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    I link the wrong video I compare to Death Stranding and it is much better on Death Stranding side, the rock, the ground has much more details. In Star Citizen this a flat texture with a few blocky rock. And I prefer to compare to Death Stranding because this is the same type of barren land. This is why the photogrammetry was done in Iceland for Death Stranding.

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    Two direct feed images if you are not able to see there is much more details and polygons on the ground in Death Stranding.

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    I'm understand more and more why the next-gen consoles are going to ditch HDD's and opted for speedy SSD solutions. It was the only way forward, stuffing 32GB+ or even 64gb main ram in there would have been ridiculous. Looking at SC is abit of a look in the future, what SSD's can bring to us.

    Why do they need to know that, in a pure technical analysis? It's up to themselfs if they want to sink money into the project.

    Your right, looks impressive, even more so then SC's mountain areas. That doesn't make it, or those games, look better then SC overall though. The planets are probably the least impressive of SC, while the mointains of DS are the most impressive of DS. Were basicly cherry picking here.
    That i give you is how great DS looks for being on 7 year old hardware, very pleasing to the eye and i would just play it for the graphics, even on a non-pro.

    On a note, i haven't laid any time on finding comparable shots in SC's favor.

    Edit: dang it's a hot topic to say the least, interesting.
     
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    Everyone should be aware of CIG's practices.
     
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