*spin-off* Always on/connected... stuff
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That is why I hate multiquoting or selective quoting that is the whole section:
The three all parts are interesting and the things is to be read as a whole, not selecting the more flashy part or the one that match one pov on the matter.
Simply pointing to the sentence you are pointing out is purposefully presenting things as if Kotaku or the writers or that piece believe that is all BS, which is not true if you actually read what the guy is writing.
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The one thing that resonate so negatively with me when I am shown future concept dealing with displays and interaction is that they seemed to be designed from a third person point of view. They tend to look cool but seem impractical compared to current technology.
What's the point of a 1000 inch touch screen display? Where I need to be within 2 feet to manipulate but 30 feet away to actual see the whole screen.
See this thread mattered, they have been along with us and came to the conclusion that they shouldn't be stupid!
If Microsoft doesn't screw up i am buying their launch unit, they better include BR playback
Yeah, but can you watch a movie on separate Bluray player & still get your Friend messages/invites or use Kinect with it? That's the appeal of having a Bluray player in Durango. Not having to leave the Xbox/Kinect interface/ecosystem.
Tommy McClain
You're watching a movie and you want to get disturbed?
Some climactic scene and you want a game invite to pop up?
Main motivation for MS to always be running everything through Xbox would be what, eyeball metrics which only matters in advertising?
If they can get you to stay on the Xbox even when you're not gaming, they have to serve you ads or else what's the point? They make money when you buy games. But if they want you to watch TV or play discs through them, how do they make money?
Some climactic scene and you want a game invite to pop up?
Main motivation for MS to always be running everything through Xbox would be what, eyeball metrics which only matters in advertising?
If they can get you to stay on the Xbox even when you're not gaming, they have to serve you ads or else what's the point? They make money when you buy games. But if they want you to watch TV or play discs through them, how do they make money?
Oh yeah. We're back to "it's evil" thing again. It's clearly only designed for serving ads.
Have you ever used Kinect with your movie or TV content? I have & I would love to have the capability with Bluray, DVR or whatever other device is connected to my system. But oh I forgot, that just gives Microsoft another chance to sell ads to me when I pause my movie. Microsoft makes money by keeping you in their ecosystem where you're more likely to spend money buying movies, TV shows, games & whatever they plan to sell.
Tommy McClain
Have you ever used Kinect with your movie or TV content? I have & I would love to have the capability with Bluray, DVR or whatever other device is connected to my system. But oh I forgot, that just gives Microsoft another chance to sell ads to me when I pause my movie. Microsoft makes money by keeping you in their ecosystem where you're more likely to spend money buying movies, TV shows, games & whatever they plan to sell.
Tommy McClain
They don't sell Blu rays. In fact Blu Rays deny them a sale of digital media.
Doesn't XBL notifications work on WP smart phones?
So I really don't see the value add for playing Blu rays on Durango.
Hey Google is evil for serving up ads and data mining personal info. If MS tries to do the same, they'd also be evil. And be a copycat.
Doesn't XBL notifications work on WP smart phones?
So I really don't see the value add for playing Blu rays on Durango.
Hey Google is evil for serving up ads and data mining personal info. If MS tries to do the same, they'd also be evil. And be a copycat.
where are all the ads MS supposedly serves up?
I see less ads on Live or 360 than I ever see anywhere else
It's a myth repeated by people that don't actually use the system
They don't sell Blu rays. In fact Blu Rays deny them a sale of digital media.
Doesn't XBL notifications work on WP smart phones?
So I really don't see the value add for playing Blu rays on Durango.
Hey Google is evil for serving up ads and data mining personal info. If MS tries to do the same, they'd also be evil. And be a copycat.
The value for Microsoft is making sure you never have a reason to plug something else into your TV. If you buy a PS4 for Blu-rays, you might start buying games there instead. If you buy a Bluray player, you might decide you can use the built in Netflix app on that and stop paying for Xbox Live Gold. If Durango can be your conduit for live TV, games, DVDs, Blu-rays and streaming video you'll never be tempted to leave their ecosystem!
Receiving an invite while watching a movie is not more annoying that receiving a phone call and really it's a solvable "problem", huge euphemism here.
I don't know how it works on Xbox but on PS3 I can go-online and yet set my status as "not available" or even write on my ID "don't disturb".
If that wasn't enough then I can even deactivate the notifications so that my precious climatic scene/moment will never be spoiled by a pop-up whether I am playing or watching a movie.
Many of the so called problems caused by always concerted/online are frankly highly exaggerated, and I am begin kind.
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Ok I checked an you can turn off notifications even on Xbox.
Notifications are a non-issue.
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I agree. It's ridiculously overblown. Not bothersome at all. If anything I think it makes the dash feel more alive and vibrant as well. Ads are everywhere, you turn on TV you get commercials.
Most of what gaffers et al decry as "ads" are really content promotion. Hey, you're on a game console, here's this week's new XBLA game. That type of thing. I dont really consider those ads, per se, as any console will and has always done this, and must really otherwise you wont know what's available.
I guess the one thing that could be considered a little annoying is the one video ad in the right hand corner on some panels, that has automatic audio play if you move over it. That's the one thing I'd say could be considered a little intrusive even though it doesn't really bother me.
Not really.
I can agree on this. This is why I dont really like or use the whole "friends" thing on XBLA. When I'm playing a game, that's what I want to play. The whole "hey, stop what you're doing and come play this other game with me" thing is intrinsically undesirable to me.
That's true in principle, but current implementations are often poor. On PS3, for example, you either have notifications on or off; there's no settings for different activities. That forces the user to go and change a setting each time they change activity, or, more likely, forget to do that as it's not a usual activity when using a CE device and then be intruded watching a movie. This isn't a problem for me on PS3 as I don't auto-sign into PSN. I only sign on when I want to play online. This could change next-gen with forced network connections, at which point the management has to be much better than this gen to provide a good user experience. The defaults should also be sensible instead of requiring users to micromanage their settings, which plenty will have trouble with. By default, it makes sense not to have notifications pop up in a movie as that's an obvious intrusion, whereas when playing online, notifications should be on by default.
The devil is in the details, I guess.
@Shifty Geezer
The current notification system on PS3 is IMO limited but not poor.
We can turn off/on notification in less then 5-15 seconds, and still we can see if we have received messages/invites at any time just by pressing the PS button: nothing complicated or very time consuming.
Surely it's not perfect but it's not poor; it could be better.
On Xbox apparently you have the option to turn off notifications "during videos" so they are even in a "better" situation than us on PS3.
Now if I am not mistaken Sony said that PS4 will allow us a far higher level of customization (UI, system preferences, options, etc..) than PS3 so we might not have to worry about any of this on PS4...hopefully.
The current notification system on PS3 is IMO limited but not poor.
We can turn off/on notification in less then 5-15 seconds, and still we can see if we have received messages/invites at any time just by pressing the PS button: nothing complicated or very time consuming.
Surely it's not perfect but it's not poor; it could be better.
On Xbox apparently you have the option to turn off notifications "during videos" so they are even in a "better" situation than us on PS3.
Now if I am not mistaken Sony said that PS4 will allow us a far higher level of customization (UI, system preferences, options, etc..) than PS3 so we might not have to worry about any of this on PS4...hopefully.
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You can specifically disable notifications while watching video on the 360, rather than having to turn them off all together. If I'm watching something on netflix, I can bring up the guide every once in a while and checked if I've missed any party/game invites. I can immediately respond if needed, either by joining a party or game session.
Oh, the horror!
Oh, the horror!
I think it would be cool if they put a blinking "notifications" led on the controller. Turn the on-screen notifications off and leave led on the controller on. I'm sure that won't happen though.
I don't know about you - but when my phone rings, it's because someone wanted to reach me for something, usually something specific, hence there is some importance to the call.
I get a lot more frequent invites from my extensive friends list because they see me online and it's easy to send an invite. If he joins in great, if he doesn't - no big deal. My friend list also contains a lot of people I've met online - the only reason for them sending me invites is to play something with me. When my phone rings, it's usually for other reasons than gaming.