Speculation: Xenon cpu 360 gflops?
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If Xbox2 cannot have three G5's, then maybe two G5 cores can be used. Two G5's are used in the dev kit already, and I believe that the PPC970MP is already available. Then maybe a PhysX chip can be added. I really hope the rumor about the Xbox2 being powered by a dual-core G5 and a vector processor are true. Strange thing is "version" thinks the configuration in the Xenon block diagram is the best.
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Ouch! Why the negative nancy? Shouldn't there be somebody posting in right about now that MS has enough money in the bank to buy the success directly, if need be? 
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Yeah, every company with inferior HW should just close down shop... and here I was thinking gaming was about GAMES and not specs. Seriously, some of you guys need to go back and compare the performance specs on past platforms. Big numbers does not equate to better games or even better HW. EE can perform 6GFLOPS but Xbox is considered more powerful. And limitations in HW can also offset power (e.g. N64 carts or the 4k texture limitation).
And why do you assume Xbox owners have no loyalty? I am sure a lot of Xbox owners would disagree with your statement--I know a lot of people who love their Xbox and look forward to X2. I am sure ~7M Halo fans are just dieing for the next installment. As for brand loyalty, heh. Ever hear of Atari? Sega? Brand loyalty is something no company can count on to save them. It is an asset to be nurtured for sure, but gamers want to know "What have you done for me lately". If X2 has a nice looking launch lineup then gamers wont care if the next system can theoretically do more GFLOPS. MS already neutralized that argument in the general publics mind by saying X2 will provide over 1TFLOPS of focused powered. As long as X2 games are on par with PS3 games at E3 most casual gamers wont care. Why? Because it is about da' GAMES!
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bbot said:randycat99 said:Ouch! Why the negative nancy? Shouldn't there be somebody posting in right about now that MS has enough money in the bank to buy the success directly, if need be?
If that's true, then why didn't acquire Square for $1.8Billion when they had the opportunity?
That is what I have wondered in all this. MS is not acting like itself at all in the videogame market. The MS we all know and hate would of bought up square and a few other key developers before anouncing the xbox. MS has taken a such a passive stance so far. Instead of loosing a few billion to get name reconition might of been better spent on buying up developers and taking the chance at a profitable console. With out squaresoft in its corner who knows if the PS2 would be so dominate.
I just hope someone can knock sony down a peg. I would hate for sony to be the only game in town one day. I hated it when nintendo was the only game in town also.
Acert93 said:bbot said:
Yeah, every company with inferior HW should just close down shop... and here I was thinking gaming was about GAMES and not specs. Seriously, some of you guys need to go back and compare the performance specs on past platforms. Big numbers does not equate to better games or even better HW. EE can perform 6GFLOPS but Xbox is considered more powerful. And limitations in HW can also offset power (e.g. N64 carts or the 4k texture limitation).
And why do you assume Xbox owners have no loyalty? I am sure a lot of Xbox owners would disagree with your statement--I know a lot of people who love their Xbox and look forward to X2. I am sure ~7M Halo fans are just dieing for the next installment. As for brand loyalty, heh. Ever hear of Atari? Sega? Brand loyalty is something no company can count on to save them. It is an asset to be nurtured for sure, but gamers want to know "What have you done for me lately". If X2 has a nice looking launch lineup then gamers wont care if the next system can theoretically do more GFLOPS. MS already neutralized that argument in the general publics mind by saying X2 will provide over 1TFLOPS of focused powered. As long as X2 games are on par with PS3 games at E3 most casual gamers wont care. Why? Because it is about da' GAMES!
So it's all about da' GAMES?
I'm gonna put my gamer neutral hat on and without mention to any 'specific games' here's my simple personal recommendation below,
1. Buy all three consoles or as many as you can afford (I have 4 from this gen).
2. If you can buy only one console, then you should've bought a PS2 this generation if it's about the games (+ PS1 B/C to boot). And in all likelyhood PS3 will continue to have the most games again.
We can argue the toss about what makes a better game, that's the consumers personal preference. But from a larger library, there'll be a larger pool of games for the consumer to like. The PS3 will have access to PS2 library and PS1 (though still not officially confirmed). This is my gamer neutral opinion with my gamers hat on.
Now if you want to throw in power into the equation go figure...The same logic has worked for me since the 8bit days...All IMHO.
quest55720 said:bbot said:randycat99 said:Ouch! Why the negative nancy? Shouldn't there be somebody posting in right about now that MS has enough money in the bank to buy the success directly, if need be?
If that's true, then why didn't acquire Square for $1.8Billion when they had the opportunity?
That is what I have wondered in all this. MS is not acting like itself at all in the videogame market. The MS we all know and hate would of bought up square and a few other key developers before anouncing the xbox. MS has taken a such a passive stance so far. Instead of loosing a few billion to get name reconition might of been better spent on buying up developers and taking the chance at a profitable console. With out squaresoft in its corner who knows if the PS2 would be so dominate.
I just hope someone can knock sony down a peg. I would hate for sony to be the only game in town one day. I hated it when nintendo was the only game in town also.
Same applies to MS being the only game in town one day. If they become a market leader in this games industry, do you see them being toppled by ANY other player in the world with MS vast resources? They aren't the underdogs here in the long term, IMHO.
Wow! This is a strange thread. It's amazingly generic - a microcosm of the whole board. We've had random speculation, insane numbers, 'who should MS have bought' remarks, 'which console's more powerful' comments, 'is a monopoly good' concerns, and the perennial 'it's all abut the games' assertion to cap it all off.
Guess it makes the rest of the forum a bit redundant...
Guess it makes the rest of the forum a bit redundant...
Re. why MS isn't buying up developers left right and centre...
...I think they may actually prefer for the platform to naturally become the most attractive place for publishers to bring games to - to bring it to the position that Playstation is in now. That doesn't mean they're going to sit back and do nothing and just hope that it happens - I think MS is probably going to announce a slew of exclusive or time-exclusive games come E3, ala the recent Japanese deals, in the hope that if they "artificially" create enough momentum and support in the short term, the platform will take off and it will subsequently become self sustaining. Why acquire developers if you can more cheaply foster an environment where they will want to bring their games of their own volition in the longer term? At least, that's the aim.
I think they'll be very aggressive about this starting off with Xenon. We didn't see so much of with Xbox, because to be frank, by the time it probably hit them it was too late for that system. With Xenon, it's a blank slate, and I think they'll be looking to cut a vast number of deals for exclusives right from the start.
The only question mark, in my mind, are the established Japanese publishers. In those cases, perhaps it would just have been easier for MS to acquire them I'm not sure how open they are to cutting exclusive deals with MS as smaller Japanese and western devs/pubs are..
In a way, it's a similar approach to Nintendo's. There was a marked shift in Nintendo's policy this gen...they moved from a model of wholly own subsidiaries and second parties to inking exclusive deals and "collaborations" with third parties. Except Nintendo seems to trade mostly in IP rather than cash, making it even cheaper for them..
...I think they may actually prefer for the platform to naturally become the most attractive place for publishers to bring games to - to bring it to the position that Playstation is in now. That doesn't mean they're going to sit back and do nothing and just hope that it happens - I think MS is probably going to announce a slew of exclusive or time-exclusive games come E3, ala the recent Japanese deals, in the hope that if they "artificially" create enough momentum and support in the short term, the platform will take off and it will subsequently become self sustaining. Why acquire developers if you can more cheaply foster an environment where they will want to bring their games of their own volition in the longer term? At least, that's the aim.
I think they'll be very aggressive about this starting off with Xenon. We didn't see so much of with Xbox, because to be frank, by the time it probably hit them it was too late for that system. With Xenon, it's a blank slate, and I think they'll be looking to cut a vast number of deals for exclusives right from the start.
The only question mark, in my mind, are the established Japanese publishers. In those cases, perhaps it would just have been easier for MS to acquire them
I'm not sure how open they are to cutting exclusive deals with MS as smaller Japanese and western devs/pubs are..In a way, it's a similar approach to Nintendo's. There was a marked shift in Nintendo's policy this gen...they moved from a model of wholly own subsidiaries and second parties to inking exclusive deals and "collaborations" with third parties. Except Nintendo seems to trade mostly in IP rather than cash, making it even cheaper for them..
Megadrive1988
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haha, awesome.
so it is confirmed then. 80-100 GFLOPS. take that
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