Sony's SXRD Projection TV to Take on DLP

[Ty]

Yes, $200k sounds like too much. Even complete buildouts of a room don't cost that much. For $200k, a contractor can build a whole house.

That argument is a bit inaccurate. It is often cheaper to build something from a blank slate because you can mass the labor from site to site and you're not necessarily doing demo work which rebuilding a room requires.

The stereophile industry (speakers, wires, etc) is dominated by pseudo-science and idiots. Many products sold have less credibility than late night diet pill shows. So much show that CSICOP and Randi have even gotten involved challenging many of these people to prove their claims.

I absolutely agree especially wrt to cables with their "skin effect" and tube amps with their "warmer" sound (this last one I have myself have not tried a double blind test on). That said, we really don't know the extent of the equipment purchased. Could it be excessive? Potentially but without knowing the specifics (dimensions of the room and the equipment purchased) we really can't say if he got ripped off. And even if we did know what he bought, how do we define this value? Because we think so? In other words, it's his money and I'll leave it up to him to perform the value judgement in this case.

I didn't count furniture, otherwise it would break the budget ($20k) agree to by my wife. The furniture is part of her budget. We got a Lissoni Reef couch and chairs (1 sofa, 2 chairs), about $13k.

Sheesh. Somehow when you bring up the point that you make a lot of money and still drive a civic (or some other Honda) I'm going to remember you spent a lot of money elsewhere. In other words, I'm sure you can afford a much more expensive car but choose not to.

That was obviously a fear induced statement. If SED offers better than CRT performance while using less power and costing less than plasma or LCD, then who really cares if it's based on CRT technology?

I won't say it's induced by fear since his statement is the same sort of statement made by every competitor trying to downplay the competition.

I think Ando is very afraid of SED technology because it'll make OLED technology seem redundant for large displays. SED is NOT slim CRT...

Don't OLED screens scale up easier than SEDs? And isn't SED basically mini CRTs? Down boy, SED isn't going to kill Sony (just like the lack of supporting LCDs didn't). If anything Sony will kill Sony.

 

[PC-Engine]

Don't OLED screens scale up easier than SEDs? And isn't SED basically mini CRTs? Down boy, SED isn't going to kill Sony (just like the lack of supporting LCDs didn't). If anything Sony will kill Sony.

In theory OLED could probably scale up easier than SEDs beyond a certain size like 100" but you have to remember that SEDs are flat screens unlike CRTs. They're more like PDPs which use a big thin piece of glass and when you get close to 100" scaling efficiency beyond that is pointless anyway since most people don't have to room for such big screens. We're already at 65" for PDP so I don't see SEDs having problems scaling above that since it's supposed to be using simple CRT manufacturing technology.

SED isn't exactly the same as CRT. It uses some of the principles of CRT but it's much better. CRT uses an electron gun that fires electrons at the phosphors from a distance. It also uses electromagnets to control the electron beam. SED uses surface conduction meaning the electrons are emitted directly from the screen itself. It basically has a tiny electron gun for each pixel sitting right on the surface. It doesn't need focusing/convergence. Operating principle behind SED is a similar to LCD and PDP but instead of plasma or liquid crystal, it emits electrons like CRT.

OLED is going to have an uphill battle because it's late and immature with little benefit over SED. I wouldn't be surprised if SONY eventually buys SEDs from CANON or Toshiba and uses them in their own televisions when their OLED technology doesn't deliver the goods at comparable prices.

 

[Ty]

In theory OLED could probably scale up easier than SEDs beyond a certain size like 100" but you have to remember that SEDs are flat screens unlike CRTs.

I remember that. What new technology isn't FS nowadays?

They're more like PDPs which use a big thin piece of glass and when you get close to 100" scaling efficiency beyond that is pointless anyway since most people don't have to room for such big screens.

Now this is a fair point, that screens above a certain size are pointless for a large percentage of the population. That leads me to believe then, that above a certain size is just a numbers game for marketing.

We're already at 65" for PDP so I don't see SEDs having problems scaling above that since it's supposed to be using simple CRT manufacturing technology.

SED isn't exactly the same as CRT. It uses some of the principles of CRT but it's much better. CRT uses an electron gun that fires electrons at the phosphors from a distance. It also uses electromagnets to control the electron beam. SED uses surface conduction meaning the electrons are emitted directly from the screen itself. It basically has a tiny electron gun for each pixel sitting right on the surface. It doesn't need focusing/convergence. Operating principle behind SED is a similar to LCD and PDP but instead of plasma or liquid crystal, it emits electrons like CRT.

The parts in bold are what I was referring to in my post about the similarities between CRTs and SED. I believe Ando's statement is simply misleading.

OLED is going to have an uphill battle because it's late and immature with little benefit over SED. I wouldn't be surprised if SONY eventually buys SEDs from CANON or Toshiba and uses them in their own televisions when their OLED technology doesn't deliver the goods at comparable prices.

I wouldn't be surprised as well. Look how they shifted from no-LCDs to the support they have now. Check out Ando's statement wrt as well.

 

[DemoCoder]

Yeah, my wife and I could afford more expensive cards, but I am more of a gadget geek than a car geek. And although some of the spending on theater and furniture seems excessive, we've been saving for it for 5 years. I don't really consider myself rich. I'm only 2 paychecks away from a house foreclosure. Upwardly mobile yuppie geek is probably a better designation. I wish I could retire, I can't.

 

[RussSchultz]

I'm only 2 paychecks away from a house foreclosure. Upwardly mobile yuppie geek is probably a better designation. I wish I could retire, I can't.

Nah, they won't forclose for a few months of non-payment.

 

[horvendile]

The stereophile industry (speakers, wires, etc) is dominated by pseudo-science and idiots. Many products sold have less credibility than late night diet pill shows. So much show that CSICOP and Randi have even gotten involved challenging many of these people to prove their claims.

Awesome! You don't happen to have any links, do you?

 

[Ty]

Yeah, my wife and I could afford more expensive cards, but I am more of a gadget geek than a car geek. And although some of the spending on theater and furniture seems excessive, we've been saving for it for 5 years. I don't really consider myself rich. I'm only 2 paychecks away from a house foreclosure. Upwardly mobile yuppie geek is probably a better designation. I wish I could retire, I can't.

Apologies if you thought I was coming down on you; I wasn't. The money you spend is the money you've earned and in no way was I trying to say it was excessive.

I wish I could retire as well! I'm hoping for the lottery....

 

[covermye]

I posted pics from my HT room a long while back... don't know if anybody remembers or not. It was a 2-3 year DIY project, which involved constructing the HT room in the basement, as well as finishing the rest of the 2200 sq ft. basement at the same time (hence the 2-3 year deal).

We had a budget, but shot that in the ass early on. Seems to be easy to do. Anyhow... some highlights of my HT room:

- Double-drywalled, staggered-stud walls.
- Black acoustically transparent fabric walls covering acoustical fiberglass on most of the wall area besides the typical top half of the side and back walls, which is black acoustical fabric over dacron batting.
- All equipment is in a seperate room, filling up 2-6' in-wall racks.
- Seperate ceiling joists were hung to acoustically decouple the room from the upstairs floor, and all wall/ceiling cavities stuffed with fiberglass.

The equpment was a compilation of "favorite value gear", nearly all purchased off Ebay over a couple year period, aside from the speakers which were direct from the manufacturer (VMPS).

- Lexicon DC-2 Surround Processor with v4 software
- (4) NAD 2700 amplifiers: One drives the mids/highs of the main L/R speaker, one bridged on the center, one for the side surrounds, one for the rear surrounds)
- (1) NAD 208 amplifier for the woofers of the main L/R speakers
- (1) QSC PLX 2402 amplifier for the subwoofer
- A bunch of rack fans that actually have ramps inside the rack chassis and work in a push/pull configuration: (4) 80 mm fans push air up through the amplifier above them, while the rack fan unit above that amp has (4) fans in the rear that pull the air out the back. I got these from a guy that built a bunch for MCI-Worldcom to cool their modem racks before they went under. Nice ball bearing fan units, (8) per unit, and paid like $20 each.
- Super High bandwidth component video switcher
- HTPC built from scratch
- Panasonic 56 DVD progressive DVD player
- Lutron Grafik-eye light controller
- various other geeky things... S-VHS VCR, couple different CD players, etc...
- Speakers:
Mains: VMPS SuperTower/R SE's
Center: VMPS QSO 626 SE
VMPS Dipole Surrounds and QSO 626 rears
VMPS "Larger Sub" subwoofer

I also added a "minimalist" 2 channel source for music only listening consiting of a cute little Channel Island passive preamp and a modified Music Hall CD player, which are located in the HT room next to the speakers.

- Projector: Sony 11HT, SMART modified for contrast
- Screen: 120" Da-Lite HCCV

Anyhow, lots of fun and always-evolving. Fun hobby, eh?

 

[Deepak]

Link

"TOKYO - Toshiba Corp. on Tuesday unveiled a flat-panel TV that uses a new technology developed jointly by the Japanese electronics maker and the Japanese camera company Canon.

The new TV uses SED — surface-conduction electron-emitter display — which uses beam-emitting technology similar to the old-style cathode-ray tube televisions, and delivers similar clear imagery but onto a flat panel. "

"Toshiba plans to market SED TVs that are compatible with next-generation DVDs called HD DVDs before April 2006. SED panels use one-third the electric power of plasma displays, or PDPs, and two-thirds that of Liquid Crystal Displays, according to Toshiba. "

 

[London Geezer]

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PC-Engine]

http://cio.co.nz/cio.nsf/UNID/38246875B3B8483DCC256F11007950DB?OpenDocument

The result is a picture that is as bright as a CRT and does not have the slight time delay sometimes seen in pictures that have rapidly moving images, the companies said. In a demonstration of 36-inch SED, plasma and LCD TVs set side-by-side, the SED picture was noticeably brighter and crisper, and images of fast-moving objects lacked the slight blur seen on the plasma and LCD screens.

After Toshiba phases out plasma TV production, any sets larger than 32 inches will include SED technology, while TVs with 26-inch to 32-inch screens will feature LCD technology, Toshiba's Okamura said. The company intends to sell SED-based TVs at about the same price as LCD and plasma TVs of similar sizes.

"When U.S. and European customers see the quality and clarity of SED, we are sure demand for our televisions will increase significantly," Okamura said.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6130586/