Sony ships 90M PS2s, 27mo quicker than PS

[Titanio]

as for sony i thought u meant they sold more than the gc to date .

I'm pretty sure they haven't, but it'd be an interesting comparison to make (and thus to Xbox also). Even if it hit half of the sales of either of those systems since PS2 launched, it'd be very impressive.

Again, the only numbers I found were for 2003, but I'll do a little more digging.

 

[mckmas8808]

You guys are right I shouldn't have said 150 million units easily. But the PSone sold 30 million AFTER the PS2 launched and we've still got another year before the PS3 launches.

And the when the PSone went to $99 in 1999 and they had only shipped 60 million at that point. So, basically thats another 45M after the $99 price point.

And if the PS2 is selling faster than the PSone why can't the PS2 selling another 50 million units if Sony decides to drop the price to $99?

 

[Spidermate]

Sorry can you post numbers showing they sold 18 million slim ps2 units ?


Anyway as i've already said many people will buy a ps3 which can play ps2 , psone games , when users need to buy a new ps2 because thier old ones don't work (and some of the units are 5 years old now so don't give me bs l-b ) they will ove on . As I said we don't know the new systems will affect the ps2 sales to claim they can easily hit 150 is pure fanboism .

For all we know in 2007 the ps3 and x360 can be in a price war and already be down to 150$ , how would that affect sales ?

How would the rev at 150$ in 2007 or so affect sales ?

Its hard to sit and claim they cna easily sell another 60 m units when they haven't even sold the 90m they have shipped so far

Not long ago, you said the PS3 would come with an uncomfortable price for most consumers due to Blu Ray going into the console. If the console, is going to be as expensive as you think it will, wouldn't that affect the consumer not ready to put down this amount of money? Backwards compatibility or not, cost will still play as a factor.

And JVC, I never said the slim sold 18 million units. I said the slim sold about as many units as the Gamecube.

Oh and sorry, I didn't catch the joke before. Simple mistake. It happens.

 

[Titanio]

You guys are right I shouldn't have said 150 million units easily. But the PSone sold 30 million AFTER the PS2 launched and we've still got another year before the PS3 launches.

I did some digging. As of Dec 2000, PSone was at ~80m units worldwide. They passed 100m last May, so since PS2's launch, PSone has gone on to sell over 20m units (PS2 launched in Spring of 2000 in Japan, so there are actually another several months of sales I could be counting here that I'm not). Has Nintendo even reached 20m with GC yet? Xbox? I guess it was actually competitive with the new systems from MS and Nintendo afterall..

Forget about outselling PS2 - MS and Nintendo should be thinking of beating, or at least putting some distance between themselves and PSone first!

 

[jvd]

Not long ago, you said the PS3 would come with an uncomfortable price for most consumers due to Blu Ray going into the console. If the console, is going to be as expensive as you think it will, wouldn't that affect the consumer not ready to put down this amount of money? Backwards compatibility or not, cost will still play as a factor.

But i've also said two strong players makes the price scale down. Sony may think they can sell the ps3 for 400$ but if gamers flock to a 300$ x360 instead sony will hvae no choice but to lower the price and by then ms can lower too . Thus driving down the prices in a price war

Forget about outselling PS2 - MS and Nintendo should be thinking of beating, or at least putting some distance between themselves and PSone first!

well with no new games in the usa for the psone for many years i don't see it mattering what hte console installed base was


the x360 has to outsell the ps3 not the ps2 as slowly but surely more people will start buying the new games nad stop buying the ones for the ps2 .


I wonder how the unreal 3 engine and other engines will affect this generation ? With doom3 , source and unreal 3 engines so high in graphics quality we may see devs move from the ps2 to the new systems faster than they moved from the psone to the ps2 thus perhaps shortening the life of the ps2

 

[mckmas8808]

I did some digging. As of Dec 2000, PSone was at ~80m units worldwide. They passed 100m last May, so since PS2's launch, PSone has gone on to sell over 20m units (PS2 launched in Spring of 2000 in Japan, so there are actually another several months of sales I could be counting here that I'm not). Has Nintendo even reached 20m with GC yet? Xbox? I guess it was actually competitive with the new systems from MS and Nintendo afterall..

Forget about outselling PS2 - MS and Nintendo should be thinking of beating, or at least putting some distance between themselves and PSone first!

Thanks for pointing that out Titanio. And I was taking late 1999 sales so yeah I included close to one year worth of sales then what you posted. But my point still remains, if by next Christmas the PS2 were to hit about 120 million units, then 150 is very possible.

And your right the Xbox and GC should have sold more than the PSone in the same timeframe. My gosh. *shakes head in disbelief*

 

[Titanio]

well with no new games in the usa for the psone for many years i don't see it mattering what hte console installed base was

There's still a PSone games shelf in my local game store, where I used to work. And we sold a steady stream of PSones over a couple of years based solely on new dance games. There were indeed new titles for PSone, even if they were few and far between.

I don't really see your point anyway. If more people were buying PSones even for its existing library than were buying Xbox or GC for their new "current gen" libraries, that's a bit of an eye-opener. That's still competition. Evidently a lot of people were and are still playing with PSones.

edit - To further illustrate, if IGN's database is to be believed, ~25 new PSone titles were released between the beginning of 2004 and today alone.

 

[jvd]

Um I don't see how this works with your math.

Your comparing the psone numbers over 6 years (1999-current) with xbox and cube numbers from 2001-current .

That isn't a vrey fair comparison and really the psone for the last year you could find it was only 50$ or 100$ with a 4 inch monitor .



That would be like comparing the psp sales for this year vs the sales of the sp for the last two years and claim the psp should have out sold it .

 

[Titanio]

Um I don't see how this works with your math.

Your comparing the psone numbers over 6 years (1999-current) with xbox and cube numbers from 2001-current .

That isn't a vrey fair comparison and really the psone for the last year you could find it was only 50$ or 100$ with a 4 inch monitor .



That would be like comparing the psp sales for this year vs the sales of the sp for the last two years and claim the psp should have out sold it .

I think the time periods are fair enough - counting sales since PS2 was released is fair IMO (and I'm actually counting from 2001 on, not 1999). I agree the difference in price places them in different leagues really, although it's arguable that the value proposition is about even (sure it's cheaper, but it's also older). It's still surprising, no?

 

[Spidermate]

Not long ago, you said the PS3 would come with an uncomfortable price for most consumers due to Blu Ray going into the console. If the console, is going to be as expensive as you think it will, wouldn't that affect the consumer not ready to put down this amount of money? Backwards compatibility or not, cost will still play as a factor.

But i've also said two strong players makes the price scale down. Sony may think they can sell the ps3 for 400$ but if gamers flock to a 300$ x360 instead sony will hvae no choice but to lower the price and by then ms can lower too . Thus driving down the prices in a price war.

That's very true. But again, we are still talking about five extra years. I doubt any of the three will get their new consoles as low as the units that have already been out on shelves. There will be at least a $200 difference between the next-gen units and the current ones. How many do you think is going to have $200 extra dollars to throw on an expensive console? I really don't see it happening, esspecially with the huge wave of content preparing to launch for it later on.

By the way, you are saying that the console is not going to be expensive after all. Am I right?

 

[jvd]

By the way, you are saying that the console is not going to be expensive after all. Am I right?

No i still think the ps3 will cost alot , I think if ms gets off to a good start sony will have no choice but to loose money or loose massive amounts of market share .

 

[Spidermate]

So, the PS3 isn't going to be expensive when it launches, right?

 

[sonycowboy]

I don't know about 150m units, but I think PS2 will certainly exceed PSone sales. When all is said and done, Sony will likely have more marketshare coming out of this gen than last, which is very impressive given the competition they've been up against over the last 5 or so years.

Like it's standing still. PS2 could pass the PSOne's sales by the end of this year and WILL pass the PSOne by March 31, 2006. (PSOne currently @ 102.5M)

PS2 projections
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130M units is an absolute lock.
140M units is quite possible
150M units is a very "high water" mark.
230M units if the bell curve of sales happens the same as the PSOne based on price points (See absurd comment below)

They've shipped another 2.5M units this quarter (which isn't over for almost another month). They're going to fly by 100M by the end of this CALENDER year, easily, IMO.

And in less than 6 years :O

130M units shipped is a lock, IMO. For reference, the PSOne sold 30M AFTER the PS2 launched and we've still got another year before the PS3 launches. And they should have passed the PSOne shipments by the end of thier fiscal year (March 31st).

And the PSOne went to $99 in 1999 and they had only shipped ~60M at that point. Essentially, another 45M after the $99 price point.

The numbers, IMO, are mind boggling.

Now for the absurd

Sony had only sold ~40M Playstations before they dropped the price to $129, a price point they still haven't reached yet.

So, if we extrapolate the remaining sales based on similar points in the price point adoption, we get:

Playstation = 40M units / 102.5M units shipped at $149 price point or above = 39% of units
Playstation 2 = 90 M units / ??? shipped at $149 price point or above.

If we assume the 39% number (and we're not going to get the $129 or $99 price point for a while ), then we get a projected PS2 worldwide shipment number of ... 230M PS2's

 

[cthellis42]

Sorry can you post numbers showing they sold 18 million slim ps2 units ?

16.15 million so far, it seems. (I don't know if they include the 50000 redesign in there, but I doubt it. The Playstation list only separates the PS One complete redesign, and the PS2 list hasn't noted any other incremental model changes over the years. I assume there's just a wording difference because this one is not yet marketed as "PS Two" like the previous one was released as "PS One." (That situation will probably change in the future, though.)

 

[sonycowboy]

Sorry can you post numbers showing they sold 18 million slim ps2 units ?

16.15 million so far, it seems. (I don't know if they include the 50000 redesign in there, but I doubt it. The Playstation list only separates the PS One complete redesign, and the PS2 list hasn't noted any other incremental model changes over the years. I assume there's just a wording difference because this one is not yet marketed as "PS Two" like the previous one was released as "PS One." (That situation will probably change in the future, though.)

The 16.15 are ALL PSTwo slim units. The 50000 was available in mid 2003 and is over 20M just by itself.

 

[Danack]

just imagine when the price falls to $129 or $99.

I bet you a dollar that the price drop occurs the week before the Xbox2 is launched.

 

[mckmas8808]

I bet you a dollar that the price drop occurs the week before the Xbox2 is launched.

Well darn it Danack I can't wait to see that happen.

Sony had only sold ~40M Playstations before they dropped the price to $129, a price point they still haven't reached yet.

So, if we extrapolate the remaining sales based on similar points in the price point adoption, we get:

Playstation = 40M units / 102.5M units shipped at $149 price point or above = 39% of units
Playstation 2 = 90 M units / ??? shipped at $149 price point or above.

If we assume the 39% number (and we're not going to get the $129 or $99 price point for a while ), then we get a projected PS2 worldwide shipment number of ... 230M PS2's

I just had to requote this because this is the thinking that I was talking about. I figured that 150 was possible because of exactly what this quote is showing. Now jvd can you not understand where we are coming from? Nothing right now can stop Sony except Sony. Not MS and not Nintendo.

 

[cthellis42]

The 16.15 are ALL PSTwo slim units. The 50000 was available in mid 2003 and is over 20M just by itself.

As I said, I already assumed that. But where did you pull 50k model sales info from?

 

[jvd]

So, the PS3 isn't going to be expensive when it launches, right?

don't read what you reply to huh ?

 

[Evil_Cloud]

I am wondering... Microsoft will cease Xbox production soon (not like they produced that much the last half year/year), so stocks will soon be depleted/removed. Nintendo on the other hand is planning to support both the GameCube hardware as the software.
Xbox 360 will replace Xbox, but it won't have any mass market appeal initially, at least not for 2 - 3 years. So the current market will transform to a two platform market with GameCube and PlayStation 2.

Could Nintendo become second in worldwide sales after all when they support GameCube for a few more years? IMHO, the current market still has some potential, so maybe if Nintendo tries a 'second life' campaign with an even more agressive pricepoint and line-up.