SONY HD PS3 Rumour... (1080p @30/60fps)? or 720p @60fps?

[ToxicTaZ]

Sony PlayStation 2 System Specs!

PS2:
6.4gigaflops->70 megapoly

PS3:
1 teraflops->11 gigapoly

Sorry VERS!
PS2: (480p @30fps / 480i @60fps)
Floating Point Performance: 6.2 GFLOPS->
Perspective Transformation: 66 million polygons/sec.
Lighting: 38 million polygons/sec.
Fog: 36 million polygons/sec.

PS3: (1080p @30fps / 1080i @60fps)
Floating Point Performance: 1 TFLOPS->
3.3 billion poly/sec small polygon
1.3 billion poly/sec. (96 pixel quad with Z, A, and T)

thx

 

[London Geezer]

Re: Sony PlayStation 2 System Specs!

PS2:
6.4gigaflops->70 megapoly

PS3:
1 teraflops->11 gigapoly

Sorry VERS!
PS2: (480p @30fps / 480i @60fps)
Floating Point Performance: 6.2 GFLOPS->
Perspective Transformation: 66 million polygons/sec.
Lighting: 38 million polygons/sec.
Fog: 36 million polygons/sec.

PS3: (1080p @30fps / 1080i @60fps)
Floating Point Performance: 1 TFLOPS->
3.3 billion poly/sec small polygon
1.3 billion poly/sec. (96 pixel quad with Z, A, and T)

thx

is this guy on drugs???
he's like a drug-fucked version of Chap....

 

[ToxicTaZ]

Sorry Mr. London-boy!

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is this guy on drugs???
he's like a drug-fucked version of Chap.... [/quote]

Sorry MR. London-boy!
But I don't do DRUG's!
And the 'F' word is BAD!
Chap....?

And Jesus Love's You To Mr. London-boy!
thx

 

[London Geezer]

anyway....


i'm starting to think that in europe the standard for HDTV won't be like in the USA.

the reason i'm saying this is because nowadays Plasma screens are advertised as *supporting VGA resolutions*... there's no 480p or 720p or whatever, they just support standard VGA or XGA resolutions. which is fine by me because they still work for progressive scan games on PS2 anyway......

wouldn't it be easier if we had a worldwide HDTV standard which complies with the VGA resolutions like we do here in europe?

i mean, a plasma screen that supports 1280x1024 here in europe would be more than capable of displaying 720p or even 1080i... so why having VGA standards in europe (or actually, its more like *not having a real standard*) and having a different thing in the USA?? :?

 

[cybamerc]

london-boy:

> wouldn't it be easier if we had a worldwide HDTV standard which
> complies with the VGA resolutions like we do here in europe?

The US and Europe were actually working on a joint standard but things went a little too slowly for the US and it decided to develop it's own, inferior standard.

DVB, which is the standard that will be used in Europe, Australia and some other countries, supports every resolution DTV does plus 1080p. Of course, that doesn't mean the high resolutions will be put to use. So far only Australia has committed to HDTV broadcasts while most of Europe seems to be going for 576i which represents a minor technological advancement but allows for far more channels.

 

[ChryZ]

maybe there is still a chance for hdtv in europe:

http://www.euro1080.tv/

The time has come to start the roll-out of digital high-definition television in Europe.

We are starting up Euro1080, the first digital HD channel in Europe and this site keeps you informed on our progress towards the launch on January 1st, 2004.

a few hdtv channels, ps3+xbox2+gc2, blue-ray .... come on, shouldn't that do the trick?

 

[London Geezer]

maybe there is still a chance for hdtv in europe:

http://www.euro1080.tv/

The time has come to start the roll-out of digital high-definition television in Europe.

We are starting up Euro1080, the first digital HD channel in Europe and this site keeps you informed on our progress towards the launch on January 1st, 2004.

a few hdtv channels, ps3+xbox2+gc2, blue-ray .... come on, shouldn't that do the trick?

erm.... yeah it should.................... but remember, we harldy even get a 60Hz mode in games even now.... so i wouldnt be surprised in a *surprise*....... that is, no HDTV for PS3 and the others

 

[ChryZ]

erm.... yeah it should.................... but remember, we harldy even get a 60Hz mode in games even now.... so i wouldnt be surprised in a *surprise*....... that is, no HDTV for PS3 and the others

"time heals all wounds", plasmas getting cheaper and cheaper, for the gaming hardware ... I never owned one pal console in my life, consoles and games are easy imports, but what really bugs me, is the display problem.

 

[London Geezer]

erm.... yeah it should.................... but remember, we harldy even get a 60Hz mode in games even now.... so i wouldnt be surprised in a *surprise*....... that is, no HDTV for PS3 and the others

"time heals all wounds", plasmas getting cheaper and cheaper, for the gaming hardware ... I never owned one pal console in my live, consoles and games are easy imports, but what really bugs me, is the display problem.

yeah they are getting really cheap, u can find some good ones in the £2000 area.......... still too much for me at the moment, but with time i'll be ok

 

[Tagrineth]

Re: Sony PlayStation 2 System Specs!

Sorry VERS!
PS2: (480p @30fps / 480i @60fps)
Floating Point Performance: 6.2 GFLOPS->
Perspective Transformation: 66 million polygons/sec.
Lighting: 38 million polygons/sec.
Fog: 36 million polygons/sec.

PS3: (1080p @30fps / 1080i @60fps)
Floating Point Performance: 1 TFLOPS->
3.3 billion poly/sec small polygon
1.3 billion poly/sec. (96 pixel quad with Z, A, and T)

thx

This is really retarded. "480p @30fps / 480i @60fps" - I mean, seriously. The raster load for the two resolutions is nearly identical; you can cheat for fast 480i performance, but still. What's the bloody point in using 480p anyway if it's 30fps? It really makes very little difference anyway.

 

[Phil]

This is really retarded. "480p @30fps / 480i @60fps" - I mean, seriously. The raster load for the two resolutions is nearly identical; you can cheat for fast 480i performance, but still. What's the bloody point in using 480p anyway if it's 30fps? It really makes very little difference anyway.

he, if anything, I know I'd prefer 60fps, even if interlaced. Faster famerate is always better.

yeah they are getting really cheap, u can find some good ones in the £2000 area.......... still too much for me at the moment, but with time i'll be ok

Aren't Plasma's a bad idea if you're into playing games? I thought the chance is quite high of having a healthbar or other static things on screen burnt into the display? The image quality is insane though, not much to say there. Still - for that price, I'll probably end up buying a projector which will give me a much bigger screen size. :?

Oh, and ChryZ, I sent you a PM. Not sure if you noticed it yet.. :-/

 

[London Geezer]

:? 480P/30FPS????

whats the point??

come on, even ps2 can do 480p at 60fps, let alone xbox and gc, don't you think ps3 or any other console in the next gen will be capable of much more?

also, i prefere Plasma's cause they just look so sexy.... i WILL have one.... swear...

 

[ToxicTaZ]

PS2 4MB VRAM (480p) @30fps!

This is really retarded. "480p @30fps / 480i @60fps" - I mean, seriously. The raster load for the two resolutions is nearly identical; you can cheat for fast 480i performance, but still. What's the bloody point in using 480p anyway if it's 30fps? It really makes very little difference anyway.

he, if anything, I know I'd prefer 60fps, even if interlaced. Faster famerate is always better.

yeah they are getting really cheap, u can find some good ones in the £2000 area.......... still too much for me at the moment, but with time i'll be ok

Aren't Plasma's a bad idea if you're into playing games? I thought the chance is quite high of having a healthbar or other static things on screen burnt into the display? The image quality is insane though, not much to say there. Still - for that price, I'll probably end up buying a projector which will give me a much bigger screen size. :?

Oh, and ChryZ, I sent you a PM. Not sure if you noticed it yet.. :-/

PS2 has 4MB VRAM (480p) @30fps! Like SOCOM in 480p mode!
SOCOM allso use's only 16-bit color!

= (480i) 360x240 vs (1080i) 960x540
= (480p) 720x480 vs (1080p) 1920x1080
The raster load for the two resolutions is little different!

 

[Tagrineth]

Re: PS2 4MB VRAM (480p) @30fps!

PS2 has 4MB VRAM (480p) @30fps! Like SOCOM in 480p mode!
SOCOM allso use's only 16-bit color!

= (480i) 360x240 vs (1080i) 960x540
= (480p) 720x480 vs (1080p) 1920x1080
The raster load for the two resolutions is little different!

You idiot... the games still have to rasterise 1080 lines if they don't want to flicker in interlaced modes below 60fps.

If you're running a full/half frame buffer (rasterising only half the lines) you have to maintain a stable frame rate you're you will get some really mean and ugly flicker. Also it just plain looks worse in the end.

The best looking interlaced games use a full/full frame buffer, meaning the raster load is the same as progressive scan.

 

[jvd]

Re: PS2 4MB VRAM (480p) @30fps!

PS2 has 4MB VRAM (480p) @30fps! Like SOCOM in 480p mode!
SOCOM allso use's only 16-bit color!

= (480i) 360x240 vs (1080i) 960x540
= (480p) 720x480 vs (1080p) 1920x1080
The raster load for the two resolutions is little different!

You idiot... the games still have to rasterise 1080 lines if they don't want to flicker in interlaced modes below 60fps.

If you're running a full/half frame buffer (rasterising only half the lines) you have to maintain a stable frame rate you're you will get some really mean and ugly flicker. Also it just plain looks worse in the end.



The best looking interlaced games use a full/full frame buffer, meaning the raster load is the same as progressive scan.

Come on tag , don't call him an idiot just correct hin nicely ...

 

[Tagrineth]

jvd, I just remember when we had a whole like 10-page thread arguing this out. Gets on my nerves somewhat.

Call it a pet peeve if you want...

 

[jvd]

jvd, I just remember when we had a whole like 10-page thread arguing this out. Gets on my nerves somewhat.

Call it a pet peeve if you want...

I know tag. But everytime i deal with my gf i just say to my self . Joe ... she doesn't know any better... and then i correct her nicely...

 

[Vince]

I know tag. But everytime i deal with my gf i just say to my self . Joe ... she doesn't know any better... and then i correct her nicely...

Wow... way to be an asshole. I say after Tag kicks the other guys ass, she does your girlfriend a favor and teaches you the meaning of tact.

PS. I realize the ideology I'm going to propose may border on the fringe of rationality to you, but why would you: (a) Go with a girl like that? (b) Say that?

Anyways, enough of this meta-physical exploration into the average guys psychology - back to talking about Progressive vs. Interlaced.

 

[Mulciber]

I know tag. But everytime i deal with my gf i just say to my self . Joe ... she doesn't know any better... and then i correct her nicely...

Wow... way to be an asshole. I say after Tag kicks the other guys ass, she does your girlfriend a favor and teaches you the meaning of tact.

PS. I realize the ideology I'm going to propose may border on the fringe of rationality to you, but why would you: (a) Go with a girl like that? (b) Say that?

Anyways, enough of this meta-physical exploration into the average guys psychology - back to talking about Progressive vs. Interlaced.

Wow, are we even reading the same post?

 

[jvd]

I know tag. But everytime i deal with my gf i just say to my self . Joe ... she doesn't know any better... and then i correct her nicely...

Wow... way to be an asshole. I say after Tag kicks the other guys ass, she does your girlfriend a favor and teaches you the meaning of tact.

PS. I realize the ideology I'm going to propose may border on the fringe of rationality to you, but why would you: (a) Go with a girl like that? (b) Say that?

Anyways, enough of this meta-physical exploration into the average guys psychology - back to talking about Progressive vs. Interlaced.

Sorry mabye i should have said everytime i deal with her when it comes to my area of expertise ? Cause my gf is much smarter than I am. I'm horrible at spelling and writing but she wants to become a journlist. She is very good at that . But when we argue over things like dinner and computers . Well thats where i hold the knowledge(unless we are talking about desert ( ). I was using a general statment. It was just to get a point across. I'm sure there are many times my gf says that to herself when dealing with me. Of course there are alot more times when i end up in the dog house. I was just trying to say there is no reason to get mean cause he will just go into defensive mode and will never learn where he was wrong.