Sony Disable “Install Other OS” in firmware (v3.21)

many people would if the games were semi decent and were free. $150 isn't much to pay when you consider how much the actual software costs even if it is crap.

I've stayed out of the PSP game quality debate, but to categorically state that they are semi-decent at best is disingenuous (misleading, false, etc. for those that aren't native English speakers) at best.

There are plenty of very good games on PSP depending on your tastes. Lack of sales for such titles is more attributable to piracy than lack of quality or compelling gameplay.

It's certainly valid to have an opinion that nothing on PSP appeals to you specifically, but to then try to ascribe that to everyone that might buy a PSP is far fetched in the extreme.

That applies also to those people that question the quality of titles on DS.

Regards,
SB
 
On the internet you can get your heart's content of crummy games for free. That logic doesn't hold up.

That's my point. You can get crappy games for free already. Why would anyone spend $150 on a PSP to play free crappy games?
 
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I've stayed out of the PSP game quality debate, but to categorically state that they are semi-decent at best is disingenuous (misleading, false, etc. for those that aren't native English speakers) at best.

There are plenty of very good games on PSP depending on your tastes. Lack of sales for such titles is more attributable to piracy than lack of quality or compelling gameplay.

It's certainly valid to have an opinion that nothing on PSP appeals to you specifically, but to then try to ascribe that to everyone that might buy a PSP is far fetched in the extreme.

That applies also to those people that question the quality of titles on DS.

Regards,
SB

I think you should re-read my points. I own a psp and I own some games.

But the line of thinking in this thread is that all the psp's problems are because of piracy but that the psp is a sucess because it sold 70m hardware units .

Piracy is not as common place as many mae it sound. In America you can't buy systems modded already , any of those places would be closed down right away. Software sells here but sells poorly. It obviously can't be all because of piracy.


CFW is not a problem. You can have CFW without piracy and many don't use it to pirate games. (I certianly don't). If a system fails at its intended purpose then of course people are not going to continue using it even if they own it
 
I think you should re-read my points. I own a psp and I own some games.

But the line of thinking in this thread is that all the psp's problems are because of piracy but that the psp is a sucess because it sold 70m hardware units .

Not all. Some are just pointing out that piracy can be harmful to a platform.

CFW is not a problem. You can have CFW without piracy and many don't use it to pirate games. (I certianly don't). If a system fails at its intended purpose then of course people are not going to continue using it even if they own it

In some areas. CFW for PSP is a problem though, specifically in Asia.
 
And thats exactly why I'm for having diffrent formats in each country. I.E DD in japan / America / Europe and then a Rom/Optical format in Asia.

Would cut down piracy greatly if Asia has a diffrent format than other countrys.
 
Sure, still doesn't escape the fact that CFW is a problem today, specifically in Asia.

Painting PSP games as good or bad games doesn't change the situation either.
 
Bad move from Sony but with very....little pr consequences....old sony > new sony ...wrt to technology....do i look forward to new innovations in PS4? ...hesitant...unsure....not hopeful...Sony trying to become like Apple's "consumer experience, tech hardware behind the curtains" mundo...will it work?
 
I think there may be some impact while the authorities investigate the consumer complains. Let's see.

Sony still have some ways to go to organize itself into a software company. It has software units, but those are mostly title-based or SKU-based rather than platform-based.
 
Bad move from Sony but with very....little pr consequences....old sony > new sony ...wrt to technology....do i look forward to new innovations in PS4? ...hesitant...unsure....not hopeful...Sony trying to become like Apple's "consumer experience, tech hardware behind the curtains" mundo...will it work?

Was Mordon from Mass Effect 2 what you was aiming for here? :LOL:
 
I think you should re-read my points. I own a psp and I own some games.

But the line of thinking in this thread is that all the psp's problems are because of piracy but that the psp is a sucess because it sold 70m hardware units .

Piracy is not as common place as many mae it sound. In America you can't buy systems modded already , any of those places would be closed down right away. Software sells here but sells poorly. It obviously can't be all because of piracy.


CFW is not a problem. You can have CFW without piracy and many don't use it to pirate games. (I certianly don't). If a system fails at its intended purpose then of course people are not going to continue using it even if they own it

CFW is a problem. You use it to watch pirated anime.

I can promise you that the numbers will tell you that more people use CFW to pirate their games than to watch damn anime videos. Quit trying to shit on Sony because you don't care for the company or whatever, and quit pulling stuff out of your ass. If you're going to discuss this kind of stuff, look at both sides instead of just preaching how shitty a product is because you didn't like it (while obviously playing favorites to the other side).

The PSP appeals to people who are tech geeks more so than the DS, so they are far more likely to mod the system with CFW. Like I said, it's rampant in the Military. You're acting like it takes a lot of "skill" to mod a PSP. It's easy as pie, as I said, anyone who can read can do it, which I think is quite a huge chunk of the US. I'd wager you are (once again) underselling the problem because you don't like the PSP and Sony as a whole.

CFW is shit, hackers are shit, modders are shit. They know what they do WILL be used for piracy, and they do it anyway. If a small dev like Q Games takes issue with piracy on PSP and discontinues support, what makes you think a larger developer / publisher like EA or Activision want to support it? You think they don't see how many copies they ship vs how many are being played? You don't think they see the torrents online with the number of seeders?

Just checking available torrents for "PSP" I can see over twenty thousand active leechers. You don't think that's a problem? It's not like 20K and it's over. It's just 20K right now. There's 6K leechers downloading a mega pack that offers 145 PSP games.

Quit joking yourself dude, at least come out with it and speak your mind instead of hiding behind double speak and lies. You don't like Sony, it's cool, no one really cares. Trolling the PSP and Sony's action to combat piracy preemptively though is ridiculous and absurd, especially when you're pretending to be so naive.
 
CFW is not a problem. You can have CFW without piracy and many don't use it to pirate games. (I certianly don't). If a system fails at its intended purpose then of course people are not going to continue using it even if they own it

Let me help you with that, without CFW you do NOT have piracy and you can still watch movies on your PSP. With CFW you have piracy.

I did a quick check, there is some 1945 PSP Torrents up for leeching, the most popular have 1800 seeds and 500 leeching.

And just to make a point:

To give an example of the piracy rate of PSP games, Dissidia: Final Fantasy was downloaded 200,000 times via BitTorrent over the past 5 days, which is pretty significant for a PSP game. The two most pirated games for the PSP in 2008 were Final Fantasy VII and GTA Vice City Stories, with an estimated 650,000 and 550,000 downloads. As a comparison, the average PSP game sells 133,000 copies. We’re curious where Sony got their statistics, perhaps it was just a PR stunt, to give pirates a guilty conscience.

http://torrentfreak.com/psp-piracy-is-trending-up-despite-sonys-claims-081222/

This is from 2008, i doubt so very much that the number of downloads have gone down.
 
CFW is not a problem. You can have CFW without piracy and many don't use it to pirate games. (I certianly don't). If a system fails at its intended purpose then of course people are not going to continue using it even if they own it

which system has CFW with no piracy?
 
Let me help you with that, without CFW you do NOT have piracy and you can still watch movies on your PSP. With CFW you have piracy.

I did a quick check, there is some 1945 PSP Torrents up for leeching, the most popular have 1800 seeds and 500 leeching.

The nes , super nes , n64 , saturn , ps1 , ps2 , dreamcast all had piracy without custom firmware.



And just to make a point:



http://torrentfreak.com/psp-piracy-is-trending-up-despite-sonys-claims-081222/

This is from 2008, i doubt so very much that the number of downloads have gone down.[/QUOTE]

Heh

The two most pirated games for the PSP in 2008 were Final Fantasy VII and GTA Vice City Stories, with an estimated 650,000 and 550,000 downloads. As a comparison, the average PSP game sells 133,000 copies. We’re curious where Sony got their statistics, perhaps it was just a PR stunt, to give pirates a guilty conscience.

Considering FFVII and Vice City are hugely popular games of course they would be pirated 650-550 thousand times.

Vice city sold 3.6m copies world wide for the psp itself. Do you really think that no name games that sell 133 thousand copies or less are being downloaded millions of times and thats where the sales are going down the drain ?
 
Considering FFVII and Vice City are hugely popular games of course they would be pirated 650-550 thousand times.

Considering that's just the numbers from a few public trackers it just gives a distant lower bound. Add in the private trackers which are favored by those that heavily pirate, as well as the growing popularity of download/sharing sites (no need to upload or pay cash to maintain ratio for fast transfers on private servers or suffer slow transfers on public servers) over the past few years, and it's safe to say it's quite a bit more than that.

Which brings me to a bit of an oddity. I've run into some people that don't mind at all paying 20 USD for X amount of upload credit on private servers or 10-20 USD a month for membership to file sharing sites in order to pirate movies/music/games, but will not even consider paying as little as 1-5 USD to buy a game legitimately...

PSP was unfortunately even easier to download and pirate than most other systems, especially if you had a launch unit.

Regards,
SB
 
Considering that's just the numbers from a few public trackers it just gives a distant lower bound. Add in the private trackers which are favored by those that heavily pirate, as well as the growing popularity of download/sharing sites (no need to upload or pay cash to maintain ratio for fast transfers on private servers or suffer slow transfers on public servers) over the past few years, and it's safe to say it's quite a bit more than that.

Which brings me to a bit of an oddity. I've run into some people that don't mind at all paying 20 USD for X amount of upload credit on private servers or 10-20 USD a month for membership to file sharing sites in order to pirate movies/music/games, but will not even consider paying as little as 1-5 USD to buy a game legitimately...

PSP was unfortunately even easier to download and pirate than most other systems, especially if you had a launch unit.

Regards,
SB

The numbers I quoted are not from a few public trackers. What I quoted was numbers from sony.
 
Did you not need a mod chip for the saturn, ps1 and ps2 if you wanted to to pirate games?

Not for my saturn at least. Nor the sega cd.

ps1 i think was chipped but it didn't add any custom firmware for me. My dreamcast was the same. The chip only blocked out the check. You could have also done it with a disc.
 
It doesn't really matter how older consoles were pirated right ? CFW on PSP enabled piracy. CFW for other platforms can also enable piracy. No one has control over how consumers and unauthorized resellers use CFW.

The amount of impact will depend on quite a few factors (other than whether CFW is available or not).
 
The nes , super nes , n64 , saturn , ps1 , ps2 , dreamcast all had piracy without custom firmware.

I think you know exactly what i meant with the no CFW and no piracy, and i honestly think that you are painting yourself into a corner on this one. It´s been a while since the last time we saw the horns of the Console war show on this forum, but yours is starting to glow red.
 
The nes , super nes , n64 , saturn , ps1 , ps2 , dreamcast all had piracy without custom firmware.

That's not what you said earlier. You said that CFW is not a problem and that you can have CFW without piracy. So which systems had CFW and no piracy?
 
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