Sony delays PS3 to 2006, concentrates on PSP !?

[ChryZ]

You know the fear , anger , hate and suffering is what i think sony fans are affraid of .

And I think you are wrong, just take a look how/who de-rail threads or what kind of topics are opened (incl. the motivation). Maybe then you will get it.

If anyone other than chap and i guess myself posted this , no one would question its source. If this true it will hurt sony. No matter how u look at it . It will hurt sony. If everything was going perfect with the cell chips they wouldn't need to push it back or even entertain the idea of pushing it back.

I have no idea how all you people could take such a bold stance on the platform of so little knowledge.

Ms coming up with a system on par or surpassing the ps3 performance will require the same effort sony has put into it. Which i'm sure ms will be more than willing to put in. Tflops aren't important. Overall system performance is important .

1Tflops would be wasted on a x86 architecture CPU (big GPU doing all the visuals, CPU is doing the rest, low bandwidth interconnects). On the other hand new, open architectures could be shaped to something, where 1Tflops==overall-system-performance could be true.

Also who ever gave a performance estimate of 20billion polygons for a 1 tflop chip please show me some proof or equations of how u came up with that .

There is the fear again.

 

[Paul]

BTW the PS2's ingame polys/sec rating isn't 66 M

And let me guess xbox can do 125 million polygons per second in game? Please, get out of here with your retarded one liners.

EVERYONE knows Ps2 can't do 66 M in game, it's the RAW polygon performance.

XBox (1) has a CPU theoretically capable of what, about 3 gigaflops? So PS2 games should look more than twice as good right? The truth is XBox is producing visuals technically superior. There's obviously more to it than that.

Lmao.. It's called Xbox has a better GPU than ps2.

Most likely XBox2 will simply be a derivative of NVIDIAs latest, as XBox was. Really, all that's needed is a re-tool of an upcoming chip, they will feed off the R&D they are constantly doing anyway.

Yea, their latest which came out over a year after PS2. If you took Nvidia's "latest" at the time ps2 was released in Japan ps2 would have blown it away totally. What was avaliable then? A geforce 2?

delay too long and ambitious games like SH, MGS, GTA, FF, SC, RE etc might jump ship to the newer better platforms like XB2. Again, MS != Sega/Nintendo. The 3rd party support MS gained at their first try is terrific

Yea.. all these companies are going to magicly jump ship off the 3rd installment of the most successfull videogame system of all time...

so what if PS3 have better cpu, not like that matters with the PS2. Bettered at IQ/textures by DC, overtaken by a cheaper GC and overpowered by MS XBOX.

Oh please.. DC cannot compare to ps2 in any way. And are you forgetting that ps2 is 1999 tech Chap? Or did the fact that cube and xbox come out way after ps2 slip by your head?

You guys think Xbox2 won't be capable of 1 Billion polys/sec?

I think it will be capable of maybe 2-3 billion, maybe. Look at the nv35, it does about 330million vertices per second, this from the Nvidia website.

 

[PC-Engine]

And let me guess xbox can do 125 million polygons per second in game? Please, get out of here with your retarded one liners.

EVERYONE knows Ps2 can't do 66 M in game, it's the RAW polygon performance.

You're the one who used that figure to extrapolate your PS3 CELL 13 Billion polys/sec

Oh and my one liners contain more relevent information than your essay which is comprised of a f*nboys wishful thinking

There's no official information saying the CELL going into PS3 is going to be a 1 TFLOPS configuration

 

[Paul]

You're the one who used that figure to extrapolate your PS3 CELL 13 Billion polys/sec

It was for the raw polygon performance of a 1200GFLOPS system, never did I say in game.

Oh and my one liners contain more relevent information than your essay which is comprised of a f*nboys wishful thinking

Your one liners are nothing but something Chap would pull, some stupid remark follwed by an emocation done only to start shit. And please, me a f@nboy? Let's see, I own an Xbox, PS2, and I plan to get a cube this summer.

 

[PC-Engine]

...and I own a SONY Betamax VCR.

It was for the raw polygon performance of a 1200GFLOPS system, never did I say in game.

...and I wonder why you didn't extrapolate a real ingame figure from those 13 Billions...

Big numbers look good on paper...

 

[Paul]

Good VCR?

 

[PC-Engine]

Good VCR?

Well my sister got it when it first came out and she rented Aliens for us to watch back then. The thing cost $1000. After a couple years it wasn't able to rewind the video tapes anymore. We didn't want to fix it because by then VHS was taking over.

 

[chaphack]

Yea.. all these companies are going to magicly jump ship off the 3rd installment of the most successfull videogame system of all time

Yea....like PS3 will be a confirm success!
They will magically jump off if Sony delays the long, just like they did to N64(yes-yes carts was one of the other reasons).

Oh please.. DC cannot compare to ps2 in any way.

Again, give me a full 3D PS2 game running at 60fps at 480p with vibrant/varied/viewtiful SA2 textures then i will gladly STFU.

And are you forgetting that ps2 is 1999 tech Chap?

DC was 1998. Come to think of it, releasing 1999 tech in 2000 is not a good idea. What will become of the CELL next gen i wonder.

Or did the fact that cube and xbox come out way after ps2 slip by your head?

AFAICS, cube and xbox can do what ps2 can and more, unlike ps2 and dc. but i wouldnt want to go into all that again, sometimes no matter what is said, people just dont get it.

 

[Paul]

Again, give me a full 3D PS2 game running at 60fps at 480p with vibrant/varied/viewtiful SA2 textures then i will gladly STFU.

And show me one DC game that can compare to ZOE2 or SH3, or even MGS2 for that matter.

Yea....like PS3 will be a confirm success!
They will magically jump off if Sony delays the long, just like they did to N64(yes-yes carts was one of the other reasons).

Noone said ps3 would be a confirmed success. But it's doubtfull that anyone would jump ship if ps3 is only less than a year late. Sony owns a part of Square too.

I kind of doubt that million of playstation owners world wide are going to just jump ship off of ps3 and get an Xbox2 because it's coming out 6 months later.

DC was 1998. Come to think of it, releasing 1999 tech in 2000 is not a good idea. What will become of the CELL next gen i wonder.

Well at 1tflops.. there won't be anything that will be able to compare for quite some time.

AFAICS, cube and xbox can do what ps2 can and more, unlike ps2 and dc. but i wouldnt want to go into all that again, sometimes no matter what is said, people just dont get it.

Cube and Xbox are more powerfull than ps2 because they came out later.. Even you know this Chap. Of course a system that comes out a year later is going to be more powerfull, I would hope so anyway.

And PC-Engine, I didn't do a ingame polygon thing because I was talking about RAW, but if you want my opinion? I would say top end games we could see 1B polygons in game.

And chap, if ps3 is more powerfull then everything else, does this mean your going to jump ship? Because you like graphics right?

 

[marconelly!]

Again, give me a full 3D PS2 game running at 60fps at 480p with vibrant/varied/viewtiful SA2 textures then i will gladly STFU.

Burnout 2? Soul Calibur 2?

The amount of "give me a game with xyz on Dreamcast like zyx PS2 game has" would be a lot longer though, and you know that...

 

[chaphack]

The amount of "give me a game with xyz on Dreamcast like zyx PS2 game has" would be a lot longer though, and you know that...

well marc, i am just trying to say PS2 is not all over DC as people claimed. PS2 is the better system but not completely bettered DC.

Burnout 2? Soul Calibur 2?

Have you seen SC2 in the arcades? As i said in the past, it has that grainy looking textures, certainly not as smooth as SA. BO2, as nice as textures on PS2 goes, is not SA2 level either, you can play around with both of them.

 

[chaphack]

And show me one DC game that can compare to ZOE2 or SH3, or even MGS2 for that matter.

i said "Bettered at IQ/textures by DC"

you said "Oh please.. DC cannot compare to ps2 in any way."

i said "give me a full 3D PS2 game running at 60fps at 480p with vibrant/varied/viewtiful SA2 textures"

I have no idea why you think i am saying DC is a better system overall???

But it's doubtfull that anyone would jump ship if ps3 is only less than a year late.

Maybe MS has the sweetsweet deal? Maybe KCET/Rockstar/Square/Capcom can move on to next gen platform for their next gen dream games? Maybe XBL will be mucho mature?

Well at 1tflops.. there won't be anything that will be able to compare for quite some time.

i have no idea why are you hanging on to that 1tflops thing??? it is just another marketing biz word. so it is the power, but technology doesnt move only from Sony's side, everyone is bringing more powerful hardware to the table. Sure if Xbox2 is before PS3, it might not stack up but it is never going to be that revolutionary destroyed by CELL.

PS1 was no revolutionary hardware.
PS2 was no revolutionary hardware.
Sony's stuffs were never high and away from their competitiors.
I dont believe that PS3 will bring graphics far and impossible from the rest.

Cube and Xbox are more powerfull than ps2 because they came out later.. Even you know this Chap. Of course a system that comes out a year later is going to be more powerfull,

Of course i knew, but you have to read more carefully to what i said.

And chap, if ps3 is more powerfull then everything else, does this mean your going to jump ship? Because you like graphics right?

Stating the obvious! OF COURSE! I have been saying, the only reason why i am taking shots at Sony PS2 is the underwhelmingness of its hype vs graphics crap they throw around. Will PS3 change things? I hope so, good gfx for all, but it better not get drowned in the usual Sony HyPE, again!

 

[marconelly!]

Well, unless you can give me some kind of proof that textures in BO2 aren't 'as nice' (such as developers saying what is the amount/resolution of textures per level in each game), I'm sticking with it, because to me it looks just as nice (and even more so, because BO2 has tons of multitexturing all over the place)

 

[chaphack]

marc, take a look at this SA video

http://mediaviewer.ign.com/ignMedia...p://dreamcast.ign.com/objects/014/014855.html

notice the intricated texture work, complex, yet smooth and filtered. That is what i like about the game, that is what is missing in PS2 textures imo.

ANYway, lets see what ST has in store for us with the PS2 version of SH.

 

[marconelly!]

I guess that was not exactly the best video to prove your point, as the whole scene looks incredibly simplistic, abeit with few repeating high res textures. Anyways, believe what you wish, I don't feel like bothering with this anymore.

ANYway, lets see what ST has in store for us with the PS2 version of SH.

Huh? Who's ST? What's SH?

 

[PC-Engine]

Sony owns a part of Square too

Since you love my 1 liners, here's another 1 for you. Sony owns less than 5% of Square since the merger with Enix.

 

[chaphack]

I dont think that scene is that simple. IGN has a few more SA movs, you can check those out and take note to the smooth and detailed texturing, something yet seen on the PS2.

ST = Sonic Team
SH = Sonic Heroes

 

[PC-Engine]

I dont think that scene is that simple. IGN has a few more SA movs, you can check those out and take note to the smooth and detailed texturing, something yet seen on the PS2.

ST = Sonic Team
SH = Sonic Heroes

Also don't forget that DC games stopped evolving when SEGA pulled the plug so you're really comparing 2nd gen DC games with the latest and greatest from PS2.

 

[chaphack]

Still on that SA mov, even if it was an enclosed area, how many 3D PS2 games, even in enclosed areas, can you name that has that level of detailed textures?

 

[marconelly!]

That room could probably only look simpler if it was a cube with the same one high-res texture mapped on each side. I think it's kinda pointless example by itself, considering that there's like five textures there just being repeated all around :\