Some Kyro 4800SE boards has arrived

[Teasy]

It actually says core above 150mhz, the most interesting thing from that page would probably be the picture though:

If it wasn't fake anyway.. which it is.

 

[Jerry Cornelius]

You guys that think just because a new card doesn't top the Q III and 3D Mark charts it's a flop just kill me.

Do you think that someone who buys a Parhelia gives a rats ass what the review sites say about the card?

I don't suppose that 800/600 FAA on a Parhelia is going to look better than 1280/1024 ??AA on many games while running an order of magnitude faster makes any difference. I doubt the irreproachable integrety the company has displayed over the years for quality and IQ is going to sway any customers either. Those features, that admittedly aren't for everyone, could'nt possible appeal to someone somewhere could they?

The same goes for the Kyro. It's unique performance charactoristics and price/performance ratio won't appeal to anyone. After all it's missing features that other cards in it's class have had for years, and that are sure to be used in future games that none of these cards has the balls to run anyhow.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You guys that think just because a new card doesn't top the Q III and 3D Mark charts it's a flop just kill me.

Do you think that someone who buys a Parhelia gives a rats ass what the review sites say about the card?

Trying to survive as a substantial company by catering only to people who A) don't read reviews and B) don't purchase branded or white box preassembled machines is... difficult.

Yes, there is such a market, but it is not very large. Historically, Matrox was able to stretch farther. At the time of its introduction, the G400 was a reasonably competitive gaming solution. Now, instead of expanding its market, Matrox has watched it contract as cards like the Quadro series muddy the waters.

As a private entity, it is nigh impossible to get a handle on Matrox's financial status. But I don't really expect them to last much longer in their current state.

 

[Nagorak]

You guys that think just because a new card doesn't top the Q III and 3D Mark charts it's a flop just kill me.

Do you think that someone who buys a Parhelia gives a rats ass what the review sites say about the card?

I don't suppose that 800/600 FAA on a Parhelia is going to look better than 1280/1024 ??AA on many games while running an order of magnitude faster makes any difference. I doubt the irreproachable integrety the company has displayed over the years for quality and IQ is going to sway any customers either. Those features, that admittedly aren't for everyone, could'nt possible appeal to someone somewhere could they?

The same goes for the Kyro. It's unique performance charactoristics and price/performance ratio won't appeal to anyone. After all it's missing features that other cards in it's class have had for years, and that are sure to be used in future games that none of these cards has the balls to run anyhow.

I'm sorry but the Kyro II SE is too slow in all games. I think it's funny when someone tries to come in here on a high horse and make out how great a bad card is. Ok, maybe "bad" is an unfair label, but the KIISE is super low end nonetheless. The FPS numbers I've seen are NOT what I consider to be playable. Yes, you can get by with a KII SE, but you're not going to enjoy it much.

Believe it or not, some of us actually buy a fast graphics card because we want fast high resolution graphics. It's not just for the benchmarks.

Either way KIISE is obviously not for either hardcore gamers or hardcore benchmarkers.

 

[Hellbinder]

Im sorry, but one look at Toms VGA charts show that the Kyro2 or even the SE version is simply NOT a viable solution for today. For the same cost you can get an 8500 LE that will simply whipe the floor accross the board.

We are not talking cutting edge FPS here, but for crying out loud somewhere around the 60 fps mark is the minimum for most games. The Kyro 3 /Se cant even deliver 30 FPs in some games. Considering the total lack of modern dx8 features like Pixel shaders that indeed are being used more and more.... I just dont see the point.

hmmm...could be something maybe...lets see... >150Mhz core x 4pipelines = theoretical fillrate >600Mpix/s >1.5 faster than K2 SE then...... meaning PVR back in PC-business or ??

Please... This is not the answer either.... not even close. PowerVR needs to get something at least as capable as Xabre 400 to even be taken seriously. Personally It still makes no sense to me to this day why this company REFUSES to release just ONE CURRENT GPU. Just one. they have the ability to release an industry leading or at least true mid range product... yet they never do...

It is beond me how a company can be filled with such a bunch of underachievers. It would be one thig if their tech sucked... then i could at least understand the reluctance... but this is redicuous...

For those of you who will say i dont know what im talking about becuase they are *only an IP company*.... well guess what this just doesnt fly. Sure they are an Ip co.. but lets be serious for a second. If they Built a state of the Art GPU or something even close they could EASILY sell it to any number of companies.. Especially for the low cost of PowerVR chips. Just like their early days when they built the pcx1 (??) and flew/drove all over the damn place selling, marketing getting their vision abd tech accross...

they just dont want to do it. Its a pure management issue if you ask me..

 

[Tompa]

hmmm...could be something maybe...lets see... >150Mhz core x 4pipelines = theoretical fillrate >600Mpix/s >1.5 faster than K2 SE then...... meaning PVR back in PC-business or ??

Please... This is not the answer either.... not even close. PowerVR needs to get something at least as capable as Xabre 400 to even be taken seriously. Personally It still makes no sense to me to this day why this company REFUSES to release just ONE CURRENT GPU. Just one. they have the ability to release an industry leading or at least true mid range product... yet they never do...

...yeah I kinda agree....just wanted to light up "the good ole" Kyro debate, and if it's a fake also as Teasy said....well....what shall we old KYRO-fans do ???.....buh-hu...

// Tompa

 

[Above]

There is a distinction to be made between ‘leaving’ and de-emphasising. A de-emphasis can just be because they are regrouping for a new attack.

Probably unfair, but images of Monty Python and the Holy Grail came to mind.

I think he may mean " 'tis but a scratch "

 

[Teasy]

Im sorry, but one look at Toms VGA charts show that the Kyro2 or even the SE version is simply NOT a viable solution for today. For the same cost you can get an 8500 LE that will simply whipe the floor accross the board.

Wow, a Radeon 8500 for £40.. or $45 in the U.S.. I'm there, link me please.

The Kyro 3 /Se cant even deliver 30 FPs in some games

I assume that was a mistake?

Personally It still makes no sense to me to this day why this company REFUSES to release just ONE CURRENT GPU.

Please... This is not the answer either.... not even close. PowerVR needs to get something at least as capable as Xabre 400 to even be taken seriously.

Those specs should be easily good enough to beat a Xabre 400. But then as I said the pic is a fake, the specs are either fake or not based on the final chip (maybe a early version), because Kyro III is not based on 0.18m and has a much higher core/mem speed then 150mhz (I'm talking 250-300mhz).

I don't see how they have refused, STM left then in the lurch, that's hardly refusing the release the board. Unless you mean refuse to do all the work themselves instead of just design.

Just like their early days when they built the pcx1 (??) and flew/drove all over the damn place selling, marketing getting their vision abd tech accross

NEC built the PCX1 AFAIK, not IMGTEC, they just designed it.

they just dont want to do it. Its a pure management issue if you ask me..

If I was hugely rich I think I'd go to IMGTEC, buy then, or buy a big share, and just say "right, were making our own chips from now on".

 

[Roger Kohli]

Which part?, when they were trying to get into the French castle or when they were trying to kill the deadly rabbit?

The deadly rabbit. I just hope PowerVR have a holy hand grenade and someone to throw it for them.

 

[jvd]

well

holy hand grenade would be a dx 9 part next summer that runs at 300mhz with 4 pipes . That should be able to over take the refresh of the nv30 and the r300 but of course they have never released anything on time and no matter how much i hate to admit it they never will. I think they 3dfx and video lodgic got everything mixed up , 3dfx should have stayed out sourcing and video lodgic should have produced thier own cards.

 

[Tahir2]

I'm sorry guys but ImgTech isn't too bothered about the cut throat PC gfx market. They may have great technology right now but they are taking a breather. Is that too hard for some people to understand?

ImgTech believe there is better money to be made in the integrated market/PDA market etc. So can we please stop going on like ImgTech is some stupid ass company blah blah... there are real people working there and with real incomes... they are protecting that.

Thats all guys. And Teasy ... you have 15 days.

 

[Teasy]

46 days actually, it was September not August. I've got it covered anyway so it doesn't matter.

 

[jvd]

I don't think anyone at the company are idiots .. i think that pardon my french but you should shit or get off the pot. Instead of this half assed job they seem to be doing they should release a cutting edge product .

once again sorry about the foul words but they are what fit the expresions

 

[Tahir2]

Teasy.. I think thats the first direct response you made to the original statement you made.

You did state Kyro III IIRC so even though I am a month out (sorry about that), if ImgTech do not release a Kyro III by then - then you have to either keep your word or break it.

Seriously.. it's all a laugh and in no way would anyone on these forums (well at least the sane ones) think less of you or want you to go ahead with 'it'. If you didn't go through with the, ahem, forfeit that you proposed it means you are pretty normal (all things considering).

I guess there is a lesson to be learnt though.... gambling is bad for your health... gambling with your own body parts is a LOT worse

EDIT: foreskin doesn't count.. and even then you would NOT want to eat it.. LOL

 

[Basic]

I've got it covered anyway so it doesn't matter.

You'd better have it covered. Walking around with it uncovered could get you arrested.

 

[Teasy]

Teasy.. I think thats the first direct response you made to the original statement you made.

I've commented on it many times over the past few months, a few times on Beyond3d forums.

You did state Kyro III IIRC so even though I am a month out (sorry about that), if ImgTech do not release a Kyro III by then - then you have to either keep your word or break it.

I'l keep my word. I'm going to name a nice pork sausage "my own penis" and then proceed to eat it... mmm tasty

You'd better have it covered. Walking around with it uncovered could get you arrested.

LOL.. I got a similar joke about having "it covered" last time I said that

 

[LittlePenny]

I'l keep my word. I'm going to name a nice pork sausage "my own penis" and then proceed to eat it... mmm tasty

Breach of contract!!! That is such a wussy way out of the bet. A real man would break into the labs and steal a next gen card, benchmark and everything so we could see it was real, then serve the next 20 years of his life in jail.

Speaking of Monty Python, I think it would be a good demo for PVR to use the Bunny sketch except with a duck!

 

[Teasy]

Breach of contract!!! That is such a wussy way out of the bet. A real man would break into the labs and steal a next gen card, benchmark and everything so we could see it was real, then serve the next 20 years of his life in jail.

What! Brake into fortress IMGTEC?!.. impossible. Even if I did get past the crocadile infested moat, laser guided gun turrets and snipers, I'd still have to find my way through the maze inside the building. Then I'd have to take an employee's eyes just to get through the retina testing on the 5 inch thick steele security doors. Even if I somehow managed all that the biggest test would still be ahead of me, I'd have to get past the big man (David H).

Ok I'm willing to try, but I'll need 4 of the best men we've got here at Beyond3d. I need an explosives expert, a sniper, a computer code decryption expert and a martial artist.... I can't promise you victory, but I can promise you that we'll get that Kyro III or die trying! Who's with me?

Seriously though, the bet was that the Kyro III would be released before September, not reviewed before September...

 

[Tompa]

Ok I'm willing to try, but I'll need 4 of the best men we've got here at Beyond3d. I need an explosives expert, a sniper, a computer code decryption expert and a martial artist.... I can't promise you victory, but I can promise you that we'll get that Kyro III or die trying! Who's with me?

ok....I'm in....I'll promise to try and get Basic with me, then he can distract all the engineers like Simon & co with some new groundbreaking HSR 3d-mumbo-jumbo......and we'll have an open path!!

...btw...I consider myself as the guy who bring the refreshments.....did U need anyone for that ??

// Tompa

 

[Ailuros]

I'm sorry guys but ImgTech isn't too bothered about the cut throat PC gfx market. They may have great technology right now but they are taking a breather. Is that too hard for some people to understand?

ImgTech believe there is better money to be made in the integrated market/PDA market etc. So can we please stop going on like ImgTech is some stupid ass company blah blah... there are real people working there and with real incomes... they are protecting that.

Nice post misae.

Whatever they have under development in Series5 for the future isn't really debatable until some details emerge.

Xabre who?