KYRO III ?
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The most obvious sign of it being fake is the heatsink partially visible in the Kyro III pic. If you put the pics in two different windows and flick between them you can see that the bit of heatsink in the Kyro III pic would cover the logo from the SE pic exactly, which is too much of a coincidence IMO. They would have done better by covering the logo less exactly.
king_iron_fist
Newcomer
As fakes go that really is terrible. All you've really got to do is add an I onto II and they still messed it up. The r200 MAXX was more believable....
JF_Aidan_Pryde
Regular
Teasy, it's almost August.
No, because different chips do no have the same codes, so they had the change the Kyro II SE chips codes to what they think Kyro III codes may be. Also they had to take out the SE at the bottom. But I'm sure they could have done better, they surely could have gotten rid of the logo at the top without having to super impose a heatsink over it. They should have just found a pic of a Kyro II without a website logo on it, it would have made the job much easier and would have been allot more convincing to.
The bet was September, check out the Kyro II SE thread were I already mentioned the bet.
IIRC the Kyro II chips were fabbed in Taiwan, but packaged in Europe - presumably Malta.
STG5000 - 0.18 micron, 150MHz (specs as above)
STG5500 - the same, but 0.13 micron, 250-300MHz
Both to be fabbed by TSMC.
It was believed that STG5000 was canned, with STG5500 brought forward (autumn 2001), and then moved back again (spring 2002).
IIRC IMG's internal codes were NP2.0 and NP2.1 respectively. Is this right, Simon?
(Kyro - NP1.0, Kyro II - NP1.1)
Teasy, if I were you, I'd be getting a bit... concerned... even though it was September.
Do we demand photographic evidence, a medical examination, or just take his word for it?
STG5000 - 0.18 micron, 150MHz (specs as above)
STG5500 - the same, but 0.13 micron, 250-300MHz
Both to be fabbed by TSMC.
It was believed that STG5000 was canned, with STG5500 brought forward (autumn 2001), and then moved back again (spring 2002).
IIRC IMG's internal codes were NP2.0 and NP2.1 respectively. Is this right, Simon?
(Kyro - NP1.0, Kyro II - NP1.1)
Teasy, if I were you, I'd be getting a bit... concerned... even though it was September.
Do we demand photographic evidence, a medical examination, or just take his word for it?
Joe DeFuria
Legend
Tick...tock...tick...tock...
BTW, just to avoid any potential for confusion, the original bet was products on the shelves by September. So, having Kyro III based products on the shelf (product available for purchase) by Sept 30, 2002 would get you the win.
Mind you, also I don't even expect to see Kyro III announced by then (if ever), but the bet was for products on the shelf.
Hmmm...that's a good question. From all the fake PCB pics going around, it's obviously way to easy to do a photographic fabrication, so I wouldn't accept that....
Joe DeFuria
Legend
Nothing that greusome!
Seriously, Maybe I'll settle for something like Teasy having to have to include some disclaimer in all of his forum signatures. Something to the effect of "My enthusiasm and bias for IMG Tech inhibits my ability to think rationally about IMG Tech and its partners' ability to deliver 3d graphics solutions to consumers".
Heh...of course, I wouldn't expect him to agree to keep that forever as part of his sig, but a nice twist would be for him to have to keep it until the time that a Kyro III or higher based PC product hits the streets.
Johnny Rotten
Regular
You sly sly nasty sly dog...
All this talk of the bet is pointless, read the Kyro II SE thread
You won/will win the bet, therefore I will stick to my word.. sort of. However thinking that IMGTEC would bring out a board before September was hardly irrational. I knew when Kyro III was planned and only STM dropping out stopped Kyro III hitting the shops well before September. Neither of us could have forseen STM pulling out at that time, considering that fact your opinion was allot more irrational then mine AFAICS. You just got lucky
You won/will win the bet, therefore I will stick to my word.. sort of
. However thinking that IMGTEC would bring out a board before September was hardly irrational. I knew when Kyro III was planned and only STM dropping out stopped Kyro III hitting the shops well before September. Neither of us could have forseen STM pulling out at that time, considering that fact your opinion was allot more irrational then mine AFAICS. You just got lucky Joe DeFuria
Legend
Teasy,
I don't want to jinx myself before the winner of the bet is "legally" determined, but...
I have seen "so many" excuses for PowerVR products being late or not being what was hyped by their fans, that I simply figured that we would get "some other excuse" again for Kyro III.
Granted, I wasn't expecting something THAT drastic (STM pulling out completely), but that's not the point. The point is, "something else did happen." So, while neither of us had anticipated STM pulling out, I DID anticipate "SOMETHING" happening, while you anticipated everything would happen on some schedule. (Which I would call highly optimisitic, and you felt so confident about that you bet your body parts.)
Apparently, the bet did not accomplish the goal that I set out.
Even though you will have probably lost the bet, you still believe you were more rational than me? That's what the entire bet was about.
I thought it was more likely that "something" would happen to delay the product past Sept. (specifically it was the suppossed 0.13 micron process if I recall), and you felt everything would go smoothly. In other words, even if STM hadn't backed out, I still think we wouldn't see Kyro III "this summer." (And I'm sure you think I'm crazy, because that's why you made the bet.)
In the end, it doesn't matter whether I won (if I win) by dumb luck, or sheer vulcan logic. The loser has to pay up somehow, and considering the severity of the terms that you set forth yourself (and that you can't actually follow through on them) I believe it would be fair for the following to happen:
1) The winner thinks up the punishement for the loser. (Or a set of alternative punishments).
2) The winner takes those suggestions and posts a poll for the Beyond3D members to vote on
3) Members vote, and the loser follows the wishes of B3D members.
Whatdya think?
I don't want to jinx myself before the winner of the bet is "legally" determined, but...
I have seen "so many" excuses for PowerVR products being late or not being what was hyped by their fans, that I simply figured that we would get "some other excuse" again for Kyro III.
Granted, I wasn't expecting something THAT drastic (STM pulling out completely), but that's not the point. The point is, "something else did happen." So, while neither of us had anticipated STM pulling out, I DID anticipate "SOMETHING" happening, while you anticipated everything would happen on some schedule. (Which I would call highly optimisitic, and you felt so confident about that you bet your body parts.)
Apparently, the bet did not accomplish the goal that I set out.
Even though you will have probably lost the bet, you still believe you were more rational than me? That's what the entire bet was about. I thought it was more likely that "something" would happen to delay the product past Sept. (specifically it was the suppossed 0.13 micron process if I recall), and you felt everything would go smoothly. In other words, even if STM hadn't backed out, I still think we wouldn't see Kyro III "this summer." (And I'm sure you think I'm crazy, because that's why you made the bet.)
In the end, it doesn't matter whether I won (if I win) by dumb luck, or sheer vulcan logic. The loser has to pay up somehow, and considering the severity of the terms that you set forth yourself (and that you can't actually follow through on them) I believe it would be fair for the following to happen:
1) The winner thinks up the punishement for the loser. (Or a set of alternative punishments).
2) The winner takes those suggestions and posts a poll for the Beyond3D members to vote on
3) Members vote, and the loser follows the wishes of B3D members.
Whatdya think?
I didn't think everything would go smooth, that wasn't neccesary for me to win my bet. If I did think everything would go smooth I'd have bet that the Kyro III would be out several months before your deadline.
I certainly can follow through on what I said, it may not be the most obvious interpretation of my words of course.. but who said it had to be. Those other things you mentioned were not part of the bet, so nah I think I'll pass on those
I certainly can follow through on what I said, it may not be the most obvious interpretation of my words of course.. but who said it had to be. Those other things you mentioned were not part of the bet, so nah I think I'll pass on those
I believe they are made by TSMC but, to be honest, I'm not that interested in where they are fabbed only what goes into them.amk said:
"NP", I think, was STs acronym standing for "New Product", though I could be wrong. As for codes, I just know things by which series they belong to.