Some Kyro 4800SE boards has arrived

[Tompa]

Hi guys, just wanted to point to a couple of "mini-previews" of the board,
somehow the "Enhanced T&L" doesn't look that impressive..... with a K2 board already, there seems to be No reason to update, better to put the money on a faster CPU instead and let that take care of the "T&L"

...check the links if interested:

http://www.mitrax.de (in german)

http://web95.uranus.xtnoc.de/pky/articles/reviews/4800Pre/

BR

// Tompa

 

[Teasy]

I think I'll reserve judgement on the EnT&L feature until I get a card to test out myself. Hopefully Hercules will send one to me, if not I'll have to wait until Videologic start sending out there Kyro II SE boards.

 

[Nagorak]

Looks like nothing more than a super low end part. Not really sure what the point of releasing it at this point is, but no big loss, I suppose.

 

[Teasy]

There isn't much point really. Hercules delayed the release of this chip just too far IMO. They could have at least had this chip out a few months ago, but decided to delay it even though the card was ready to go.

I suppose their just releasing it now because they have an aggreement.

The only interesting things about the card is the TV-Out, Ent&L (which I don't expect much from, it just interests me) and a possibility of the card being overclockable. But it likely won't be overclockable.. but I suppose we'll see soon enough.

 

[Typedef Enum]

I hate to sound like a *ick, but this product has "who cares?" written all over it. If I'm on a seriously limited budget, I would much rather fork up the additional $30-40 on a 3D processor that was a little more feature rich.

For the same price as a Kyro2, you could pick up a GF4 MX...but I would certainly go with an older GF3 and/or 8500 LE any day of the week over this thing.

And I'm sorry, but the whole ET&L thing is just a complete joke. Surely they realized when they came up with this idea just how dumb it would sound to anybody with a clue.

 

[RussSchultz]

Ahhh, but even as this board shows, very few people are actually lucky enough to have a clue.

 

[Teasy]

For the same price as a Kyro2, you could pick up a GF4 MX

Not really no.

And I'm sorry, but the whole ET&L thing is just a complete joke. Surely they realized when they came up with this idea just how dumb it would sound to anybody with a clue.

I'm not giving up on that after a few previews, it could be a nice little feature, especially for current Kyro II owners if it can be hacked successfully for Kyro II. I agree though that unless it gives a much bigger increase then I think is possible then its most certainly not something to sell a card on in that respect would be a joke. EnT&L should have just been an added feature in new Kyro drivers so everyone could use it with any Kyro/Kyro II board.

Kyro II SE certainly isn't an exciting card, but it could still sell ok at the right price.

Ahhh, but even as this board shows, very few people are actually lucky enough to have a clue.

Good point, EnT&L could sell the Kyro II SE like HW T&L sold the first Geforce cards

 

[Typedef Enum]

I was going to preface it with, "And we all realize that most avg. consumers don't have a clue."

But one thing that can be undertood is DirectX...They may not understand what the technology really means, but they understand that DX8 is better than DX7, etc. Most people have no earthly idea what a "MHz." really means, but they know that more is better.

 

[Teasy]

But one thing that can be undertood is DirectX...They may not understand what the technology really means, but they understand that DX8 is better than DX7

Yeah, but all newish graphics cards out now have DX8 on the box. Most wouldn't know the difference between DX8 compatible and DX8 compliant.

 

[Daemon_UK]

I hate to sound like a *ick, but this product has "who cares?" written all over it. If I'm on a seriously limited budget, I would much rather fork up the additional $30-40 on a 3D processor that was a little more feature rich.

For the same price as a Kyro2, you could pick up a GF4 MX...but I would certainly go with an older GF3 and/or 8500 LE any day of the week over this thing.

And I'm sorry, but the whole ET&L thing is just a complete joke. Surely they realized when they came up with this idea just how dumb it would sound to anybody with a clue.

Yep thats right, considering the costs of the Geforce 4 Ti4200, you would have to be a chump at a Lan party with one of these in your machine, considering everyone in other forums saying that they upgraded from the Tnt2, Kyro II, Voodoo Series or Geforce 2 and 3 in some cases to the GF4Ti series of cards...

The whole Kyro issue is a joke, at the end of the year, they should just fold, if they don't release anything. Look at Matrox, out for years and their big launch turns into a whimper!

 

[LittlePenny]

The whole Kyro issue is a joke, at the end of the year, they should just fold, if they don't release anything. Look at Matrox, out for years and their big launch turns into a whimper!

The Kyro IISE is not PVR's latest and greatest architecture. Series 4 and to be finished Series 5 are still properties of STM and thus PVR can not sell products based on these designs. We should atleast see on how the negotiations between the bidders and STM goes before we say PVR should fold. Even then PVR still has plenty of money to burn to design new architectures not belonging to STM.

Please someone correct me where I am wrong.

 

[Teasy]

The Kyro IISE is not PVR's latest and greatest architecture.

Yes your correct their, Kyro II SE is a STM chip, they made the decision to clock up a Kyro II and sell it as Kyro II SE.

Series 4 and to be finished Series 5 are still properties of STM and thus PVR can not sell products based on these designs.

That's no the case actually, Series 4 and 5 are the property of IMGTEC. STM have a licence to build chips from Series 4 and 5 (they already built a chip from Series 4) but it is not an exclusive licence. The reason for this is that IMTEC only get money once a finished chip is sold to a board maker. So if the licence was exclusive then someone like STM could just keep the licences and IMGTEC would have lost years of development for nothing.

IMGTEC can allow another company to make a PC part based on Series 4/5, in fact they're currently negotiating with 3 companies to make new PC parts (as well as graphics chipsets for mobo's) based on Series 4 and Series 5.

As for folding, hardly... As people have explained many times before, IMGTEC are far far more then a PC graphics chip company. IMGTEC are in loads of markets with loads of different technology (from PC sound chips to digital radio's).

 

[mboeller]

The Kyro IISE is not PVR's latest and greatest architecture. Series 4 and to be finished Series 5 are still properties of STM and thus PVR can not sell products based on these designs. We should atleast see on how the negotiations between the bidders and STM goes before we say PVR should fold. Even then PVR still has plenty of money to burn to design new architectures not belonging to STM.

Please someone correct me where I am wrong.

Yes and no...

When You look at the latest presentation from IMG, You can clearly see that the PC-market is on the decline for IMG. They have only 2 slides for the PVR ( 51;basic technology and 52;roadmap) and much more slides about MBX for example. So maybe they already have decided to leave the PC-space and use their IP where it matters most (handhelds, consumer products ).

IMHO the slides clearly show whats the problem with their PC products. Slide 26 shows very good what problem they have. They have all the technology for 3D-graphics (for example) but no brand-name. And more important they don't want to have an Brand-name.
On the other side it seems no other company is willing to use their tech and stamp their own brand on it.
Why? Simple.
Can you imagine Porsche (for example) uses engines (IP) from VW and the chassis (drivers) from BMW with an 911-Logo stamped on it? No way you will say, well and the same happens here. If the company cannot control the IP they will not use it (IMHO !)

 

[Dave Baumann]

When You look at the latest presentation from IMG, You can clearly see that the PC-market is on the decline for IMG. They have only 2 slides for the PVR ( 51;basic technology and 52;roadmap) and much more slides about MBX for example. So maybe they already have decided to leave the PC-space and use their IP where it matters most (handhelds, consumer products ).

There is a distinction to be made between ‘leaving’ and de-emphasising. A de-emphasis can just be because they are regrouping for a new attack.

 

[David G.]

When You look at the latest presentation from IMG, You can clearly see that the PC-market is on the decline for IMG. They have only 2 slides for the PVR ( 51;basic technology and 52;roadmap) and much more slides about MBX for example. So maybe they already have decided to leave the PC-space and use their IP where it matters most (handhelds, consumer products ).

There is a distinction to be made between ‘leaving’ and de-emphasising. A de-emphasis can just be because they are regrouping for a new attack.

Hey ... here's a hopefull statement !!!

Nice .

I'm still waiting for Kyro III or IV .


REally now , each firm that bring competition for the market means good prices for us , he consumers , along with a faster developing market and high quality offerrings .

 

[Roger Kohli]

There is a distinction to be made between ‘leaving’ and de-emphasising. A de-emphasis can just be because they are regrouping for a new attack.

Probably unfair, but images of Monty Python and the Holy Grail came to mind.

 

[Oratius]

I don't know if it's old or new but put an eye on this:

www.kyrozone.com

 

[Teasy]

Probably unfair, but images of Monty Python and the Holy Grail came to mind.

Which part?, when they were trying to get into the French castle or when they were trying to kill the deadly rabbit?

 

[Teasy]

Check this out:

http://web95.uranus.xtnoc.de/pky/

Paraknowya did a second test with Kyro II SE using a Pentiun 4 instead of an Athlon. Were as with the Athlon EnT&L dropped performance in every test, with the Pentium 4 EnT&L increased the performance of every test. 3dmark2001 increased by 12% with EnT&L.

So it looks like at this point EnT&L is optimised for SSE2, for Pentium 4, and not the SSE/3DNow that Athlon supports.

 

[Tompa]

I don't know if it's old or new but put an eye on this:

www.kyrozone.com

..from the kyrozone page:

-Core frequency above 150MHz
-0,18 micron technology
- Hardware T&L unit
-4 pixel rendering pipelines
- Internal 32 bit color and to tile accelerator with hidden surface removal
- Support both SDR and DDR memory with 32, 64 and even 128 MB
- AGP 4X with SBA
-2 Digital Analog Converters (DACs) which can be used to build dual display versions of the cards.
- Digital Flat panel support as well as TV out
- Video IN option
- KYRO' s BIST Technology


hmmm...could be something maybe...lets see... >150Mhz core x 4pipelines = theoretical fillrate >600Mpix/s >1.5 faster than K2 SE then...... meaning PVR back in PC-business or ??

// Tompa