Silent Hill3 OMG!

I think that costume is totally not necessary and not suitable to be in this game.
Then I think you're not going to like Douglas' "no pants" code :))))

SH games always had goofs like that. So that when you finish the game you can look at it as if it was acted by actors in a movie, etc...
 
zurich said:
And you're right, the lip syncing is off... just doesn't seem right, a little over animated.

Strange, strange. The more I look at Heather, the more I think she is cute.

Better stop and play some Virtual On Mars.
 
Yeah, lip syncing in SH3 seems to be a bit overanimated, I thought that when watching the Douglas talk. It's an extreme nitpicking, though considering they've done the scenes in RT, and considering I honestly don't know a single piece of CGI cinematography with humans where lip syncing was perfectly natural, Even FF:TSW succumbed there many of times.
 
marconelly! said:
Yeah, lip syncing in SH3 seems to be a bit overanimated, I thought that when watching the Douglas talk. It's an extreme nitpicking, though considering they've done the scenes in RT, and considering I honestly don't know a single piece of CGI cinematography with humans where lip syncing was perfectly natural, Even FF:TSW succumbed there many of times.

Some great lip syncing off the top of my head..

Kingdom Hearts (when they actually used high LOD models heh), Final Fantasy X (the parts that WERE syncing to English [not Japanese] were good), Metal Gear Solid 2, and Silent Hill 2 (CG & real time).
 
Hmmm. I don't think either of those games did a very good job at lip syncing and facial animation. SH3 is certainly better than any of them IMO (well, maybe not better than SH2 and FFX CG but it's pretty close), although still not as good as I'd like.

I've just watched some pre-rendered CGs from SH2 to refresh my memory, and yeah, they all suffer from that slightly overanimated feel. RT scenes in SH2 have a lot more simplistic facial expressions, on top of that.

IMO, it's mostly games and movies with cartoon character that look more believable, simply because you don't expect that level of realism from the imaginary characters. Animation of realistic looking humans has to be on the whole new level of sophistication compared to that, for them to look even remotely believable.
 
Well, I liked the 'underanimated feel' of FF X/SH2 RT. The CGs were a little overdone (Maria moreso than James). And again, MGS2's were just great.

I still can't believe the FF X localizing team pushed that game out the door with like 30 % English / 70% Japanese lip synching... its an embarassment to the otherwise astronomical production values.
 
MGS2 was pretty good (especially considering it used some kind of realtime lip sync generator), except for the moments when it all screwed up and characters' mouth for a moment moved completely wrong (or not at all) But again, the facial expressions were rather simplistic. It fit well with the game's stylized look, though.
 
zurich said:
Some great lip syncing off the top of my head..

Kingdom Hearts (when they actually used high LOD models heh)

Yeah. That was quite impressive. Best lip syncing evar. Actually it was more a "face expression syncing". Not only the lips, but the whole face "muscles" are animated accordingly. The only other game I recall having such a great lip sync (albeit limited) is Tobal 2.
 
UltraMario said:
I can't play this movies on my computer can someone tell me what kind of codec I need or give me a link

The MPEG-2 movies are standard MPEG-2, encoded by TMPGEnc Plus.

MPEG-2 320x240 29.97fps 800Kbps VBR, 192Kbps (16bit/48KHz) MPEG Layer 2 audio.
 
Maskrider, I have to tell you I too couldn't play those movies with WMP. I had to use Power DVD instead. WMP 9.0 crashed, and WMP 6.4 reported that it can't find appropriate codec.
 
maskrider said:
The MPEG-2 movies are standard MPEG-2, encoded by TMPGEnc Plus.
Why don't you use a free mpeg4 codec like XviD? Smaller files, better quality, free codec ... even the encoding software is freeware.
 
marconelly! said:
Maskrider, I have to tell you I too couldn't play those movies with WMP. I had to use Power DVD instead. WMP 9.0 crashed, and WMP 6.4 reported that it can't find appropriate codec.

But I played them in WMP 9 without a problem, may be I already had too many MPEG-2 DirectShow codec installed. I can also play them in RealPlayer 8 and QuickTime 6 (with MPEG add-on).
 
ChryZ said:
maskrider said:
The MPEG-2 movies are standard MPEG-2, encoded by TMPGEnc Plus.
Why don't you use a free mpeg4 codec like XviD? Smaller files, better quality, free codec ... even the encoding software is freeware.

I tried my QuickTime 6 import/export to MPEG-4, but I can't get it to carry the audio track.

I use those tools because they are the ones that I had been using for a long time.

edit: and BTW, the MPEG-4 encoder in QuickTime 6 is not good, the dynamics of the picture is runied from its output comparing to MPEG-2 counterpart.
 
ChryZ said:
maskrider said:
I use those tools because they are the ones that I had been using for a long time.

If you like to try something new:

IMHO the best build of the XviD codec:
http://nic.dnsalias.com/xvid.html

Encoding with VirtualDub [GPL]:
http://www.virtualdub.org/

Open source video, select audio/video-compression, save, encoding ... done!

Indeed, VirtualDub is not really new to me, I tried DivX before, though not Xvid. I don't like its quality.

Converted to Xvid with VirtualDub at the same 800Kbps rate, the colours look pale comparing to the 800Kbps MPEG-2, file size being similar.
 
maskrider said:
Converted to Xvid with VirtualDub at the same 800Kbps rate, the colours look pale comparing to the 800Kbps MPEG-2, file size being similar.
I've never compared that way, interesting. Do you used the right settings for color depth? Anyway, the lower the bitrate, the more you should be able to see the compression advantages of mpeg4.
 
ChryZ said:
maskrider said:
Converted to Xvid with VirtualDub at the same 800Kbps rate, the colours look pale comparing to the 800Kbps MPEG-2, file size being similar.
I've never compared that way, interesting. Do you used the right settings for color depth? Anyway, the lower the bitrate, the more you should be able to see the compression advantages of mpeg4.

Color depth is 24bits.
 
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