*Sigh* The Inquirer Strikes Again: RSX "Slightly Less Powerful" than 7800
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Unless there has been a change to the spec, there is nothing new that would prompt Nvidia to say RSX is less powerful than the 7800 GTX. We've known the GTX has more memory bandwidth, but we also know RSX is clocked at 550Mhz and has a much higher bandwidth to the CPU than the G70. This is something NVidia has repeatedly pointed at as giving RSX a disproportionate edge. You can think of it as unrelated to memory bandwidth if you like, but then you have to draw comparison with G70's PCi Express connection, and see the difference there. NVidia (and devs) have been saying repeatedly that RSX is more powerful..(let's not start digging up quotes).
Also, and more directly related - there are people with PSM saying there's not a mention of this in the issue they are reading. A guy at EvilAvatar forums - a renowned "Xbot" - posted this, but no one else seems to be able to see what he's seeing. GameTab picked it up from there, then The Inquirer picked it up from there, and I've no doubt TXB picked it up from The Inquirer. Internet Journalism..
Also, and more directly related - there are people with PSM saying there's not a mention of this in the issue they are reading. A guy at EvilAvatar forums - a renowned "Xbot" - posted this, but no one else seems to be able to see what he's seeing. GameTab picked it up from there, then The Inquirer picked it up from there, and I've no doubt TXB picked it up from The Inquirer. Internet Journalism..
overclocked
Veteran
As im the "beliver" of RSX=G70@higher clock + FlexIO and TurboCache, i would "still" say IF someone at nVidia said this it would be true in the terms of SLI and/or bandwidth.
Well well atleast ******s must feed on something aka TeamXbox.. sigh
Well well atleast ******s must feed on something aka TeamXbox.. sigh
I don't know why theInq has a bad rap. They seem to be right more often than wrong. They nailed alot of Xbox360 and g70 stuff. I think its they get info so much before others it seems like BS.
As for this latest bit I think it could be possible and debatable. The Xbox1 gpu was in some ways more powerful than the Geforce4, and in some ways not (like clock speed).
As for this latest bit I think it could be possible and debatable. The Xbox1 gpu was in some ways more powerful than the Geforce4, and in some ways not (like clock speed).
richardpfeil
Newcomer
Is it realistic to expect the RSX to ship at 550MHZ? The 7800 running in the mid 400s is consuming well over 100 watts. The process shrink to 90nm will help, but I'd be suprised if it reduces consumption by more than 25%. Will Sony really want to deal with the heat dissipation and power supply issues of pushing the GPU past 50 watts, let alone 75 or more? I can't see the RSX at 550 consuming less than 100 watts.
Pozer said:
G70's advantage over RSX - memory bandwidth - is nothing new and has been well discussed. NVidia and others don't seem to think it outweighs RSX's advantages.
As for The Inquirer, they are no stranger to posting stories without checking their facts, even if they've also hit upon "correct" rumours. But this isn't something they've heard themselves - they're quoting a magazine. Yet others with the magazine are asking where they're reading that quote from, because they can't see it. It seems a little coincidental that a poster called "RedCloak" made this claim earlier on the EvilAvatar forums - a poster who's made his love of X360 and his dislike of PS3 quite clear. GameTab picked it up as "news", then The Inquirer. And then TXB quotes The Inquirer. Mix in everything NVidia has been saying about RSX and...it all seems rather shaky, no?
Inquirer said:
Is that site run by a bunch of children? Its becoming more and more appearent that, that site feeds off the backlash they get from rumors. Also...read the thread where they got this rumore from...a fricken message board from a known Microsoft TROLL that doesn't want to give any links that says he saw it in the new PSM and doesn't want to show any scans because he doesn't think its a good thing to show scans....wow
MechanizedDeath
Regular
Why would anyone believe this? We've heard for months now, straight from the NVidia guys that the RSX is more powerful than the 7800GTX. This hasn't been said once or twice, but a bunch of times. Come on, you guys are much smarter than this. PEACE.
Jawed
Legend
Seems people here can't distinguish between 10% higher clock speed in RSX, versus having only 50% of the RAM bandwidth, when comparing against G70.
In a bid to say that RAM bandwidth doesn't matter these same people beg us to believe that Cell is going to come to the rescue - well doh, if Cell is going to come to the rescue then that must be because RSX is under-powered.
Jawed
In a bid to say that RAM bandwidth doesn't matter these same people beg us to believe that Cell is going to come to the rescue - well doh, if Cell is going to come to the rescue then that must be because RSX is under-powered.
Jawed
If the RSX is underpowered then its underpowered...the whole issue is that the Inquirer created this article about an Nvidia spokesman from an unknown user from a message board who said he saw the quote in a issue of PSM that people are now saying doesn't exist...its the journalism thats in question.
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scooby_dooby
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i think the quote might be on the DVD with PSM.
Someone started a thread at another forum called "the dumbest thing i've seen in PSM", he doesn't seem to be aware of the inquirer article.
he writes this:
"yea i got psm today with the dvd... i put it in and watched the "Luna" tech demo that nvidia showed at the E3 press conference with the woman and the creatures.
they said somthing about the graphics chip NVIDIA Ge Force 7800 that kinda pissed me off... " ThePS3 graphics chip will almost be indentical, only slightly less powerful" "
Anyone have PSM? Watched the DVD?
Someone started a thread at another forum called "the dumbest thing i've seen in PSM", he doesn't seem to be aware of the inquirer article.
he writes this:
"yea i got psm today with the dvd... i put it in and watched the "Luna" tech demo that nvidia showed at the E3 press conference with the woman and the creatures.
they said somthing about the graphics chip NVIDIA Ge Force 7800 that kinda pissed me off... " ThePS3 graphics chip will almost be indentical, only slightly less powerful" "
Anyone have PSM? Watched the DVD?
scooby_dooby said:
Nice...so that statement alone would add some credence to the Inquirer...But that RedCloak dude on the message board stated something along the lines of it being in the Magazine...and that he couldn't scan it because they don't allow scans...
Heh...theres going to be alot of backpedling from Nvidia...lol
Jawed said:
I think its sarcasm...at least thats what my radar says
Damnit..my radar was wrong!
Jawed said:
Sorry, I meant bandwidth to the CPU, consider my post rushed and tired. The point remains, and that of clockspeed too - where did you get 10% from? It's nearly 30% faster.
But this isn't what this is about, as mentioned earlier. If you want to argue RSX is less powerful than G70, go tell the devs who've said otherwise, or go tell NVidia who up until now at least have been hammering home that very point.
Jawed
Legend
Sorry, you're right, I think of 7800GTX as being a 500MHz part, when it's actually a 430/460 MHz part - that usually overclocks to 500MHz.
The CPU link is not going to make the blindest bit of difference to texturing or rendering into the framebuffer - the two most demanding bandwidth consumers in a GPU. That's been beaten to death round here as impractical.
It beats me why Sony/NVidia decided to handicap RSX with a 128-bit bus, but there it is. A cost-saving measure.
Jawed
p.s. my excuse is I'm too busy stuffing my face with cake
The CPU link is not going to make the blindest bit of difference to texturing or rendering into the framebuffer - the two most demanding bandwidth consumers in a GPU. That's been beaten to death round here as impractical.
It beats me why Sony/NVidia decided to handicap RSX with a 128-bit bus, but there it is. A cost-saving measure.
Jawed
p.s. my excuse is I'm too busy stuffing my face with cake
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