SEGA didn't use Series5 for Lindbergh after all?!!!

S5 has AA without performance costs, Xenos too. Both solutions use deferred rendering. But S5 is quite old now and I think, that Xenos has much more shader power...

That's a pitty. I like PowerVR :oops:
 
Sega hasn't confirmed anything yet.

Only a japanese arcade retailer published a product description of the Lindbergh that says the board is X360 based. It could be speculation from the retailer, for all we know.
 
but then there was also that private E3 demo we saw earlier that had SEGA XBox360 & arcade stuff all jumbled into one vid with absolute continuity...
well, perhaps that's because the E3 was more a "SEGA - we're still here" message and not individual market specific presentations, i dunno :?
 
deviantchild said:
so,
we've had a few ppl confused by House of The Dead 4 shots (not looking particularly impressive to me) and i've also seen these same pics used in articles which include shots of the arcade cab units
two days ago GameSpot posted a piece that said it was "confirmed" that Lindbergh uses XBox360 HW: http://www.gamespot.com/arcade/action/houseofthedead4/news_6129092.html

if this is true, what has happened?
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naaa. Lindbergh is still PowerVR Series5. there's just some confusion going on within the Japanese press, and that's getting reflected to our english press. it would be nice if U.S. Journalists would actually use some brain power and interject some commen sense
 
Sega Sammy clearly distinguished which of their next generation demonstrations were for X360 and which weren't at E3. Those that weren't for X360 were instead running full speed real-time on Series 5 (not Eurasia but an earlier implementation). The cover has been off of PowerVR's high end since the Sonic, Afterburner, Virtua Fighter, and The House of the Dead 4 demos were exhibited a while back.
 
Can't tell with certainty yet, but it could very well be that deviant is on the right track.
 
Deviant and Auliros are both correct.

Lindbergh is xbox360 powered and will play host to HOTD4 and other second tier SEGA SAMMY franchises.

System SP is the new custom PowerVR arcade board which will power SEGA SAMMY's premier franchises such as Virtua Fighter, Sonic, Afterburner.

SystemSP shall be far in excess of PS3/XB360 and shall be capable of photon mapping.
 
:?: others seem to think that Lindbergh & SystemSP are one and the same

do you have any information contrary to this Tex, because i really would like this cleared up
 
They are not one and the same. System SP was trademarked last year, whilst Lindbergh in April of this year.

That photon mapping comment I made isn't official it's something a developer told me after watching sarah bryant's suit and the water in both sonic and afterburner.
 
Regarding the E3 Sega video:

This is what the female announcer says between the end of the Chrome Hounds demo and the start of the VF demo: "OK, now for something even more exclusive; from our world-class Sega [inaudible] development studios comes a little surprise; an exciting technology demonstration that is not a pre-rendered movie (I don't know whether or not this was implying that Chrome Hounds et al were not realtime) that will blow your mind. So without further ado, let's begin."

Then follows VF, AfterBurner, HotD4 and Sonic, until the announcer says: "What you are seeing is being controlled in realtime." during the Sonic demo.

At the end she says: "In fact I want to remind everyone that this entire performance was done without prerendered graphics. This "Next Level" that you've just witnessed may be coming sooner than you think. This concludes bla bla..."

So I still see VF, HotD4, AfterBurner and Sonic running on Series 5 Lindbergh. The X360-arcade board stuff is just wishful thinking at his stage and is probably partly due to the confusion caused by showing all the X360 games along with the Lindbergh stuff.
 
well, i dunno...
the flyer for HoTD4 says Lindbergh on it and it has smaller versions of some of the exact same shots we have seen banded about as XBox360 shots, or at least XBox360 technology
nobody official has popped up to tell these sites (some of them respected and popular) that they are wrong!?
 
Sega Sammy have said that they're not discussing any more until the amusement exhibition at the start of September. No one else would announce their plans for them.

The gaming mass media outlets don't follow developments outside of the console sector so closely, so their information on those areas is generally sketchy.

I just hope things are okay for everyone at Imagination Technologies during the turmoil of this tragedy in London.
 
Lazy8s said:
Sega Sammy have said that they're not discussing any more until the amusement exhibition at the start of September. No one else would announce their plans for them.

The gaming mass media outlets don't follow developments outside of the console sector so closely, so their information on those areas is generally sketchy.

I just hope things are okay for everyone at Imagination Technologies during the turmoil of this tragedy in London.
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I e-mailed IT about a month ago specifically about VF5 and the new board and they told me that they're not commenting on Sega product details and that I needed to ask Sega, so it looks like they're not denying it. I don't see Sega making a sudden move to an X360-based board when the IT deal has been in the works for so long.
 
They wouldn't be moving to a xbox360 board for all their games, it may only be for mid end games.

The custom ImgTec based board would be the primary arcade system.
 
Hope dies last I guess (as always). Yes the lack of any comment from any IMG official isn't encouraging at all.

SEGA/Sammy intended in the past to use for low volume/high end amusement systems PVR-Series5 and for high volume/low end amusement systems MBX derivatives.

After all this time SEGA has lisenced S5, there should be at least something to be seen by now.
 
The first Lindbergh will probably be used for the first wave of new arcade games before employing high-end Eurasia configurations and beyond throughout the next cycle.
 
I don't know where you folks get your infos from, but none of this makes sense.
 
Lazy8s said:
The first Lindbergh will probably be used for the first wave of new arcade games before employing high-end Eurasia configurations and beyond throughout the next cycle.
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i'm pretty sure "Lindbergh" is ATi Xenos, whether or not there IS something else out there is another question

Eurasia may be "high-end" in terms of other incarnations incorporating MBX but afaik it's a low end unit to replace the high volume market (as Ail suggests) that is currently using Atomiswave
 
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