DeadmeatGA said:
Another possibility is that this media processor could be from Sony headquarter and both CELL and this media processor ended up inside the Sony's future consumer electronics platform after a political infighting and a compromise.
Afterall, PSX2 carries the CPUs from both Toshiba and LSI as a compromise.
Ok, when is this going to end. I realize via previous discussions that you have this fantasy view of Sony and Sega and their inter/intra-corperate workings, but it just doesn't exist.
There was no "compromise" with PS2, but there was documented co-development on the PS2's ICs from 1996 onwards with Toshiba and SCE.
There is no "fighting" within Sony Headquarters, this isn't a pathetic situations like that seen in Sega in ~1997/1998 with their Japanese verse American divisions having a penis measuring contest. Your buddy Kutaragi runs everything that deals with semiconductor manufacturing within Sony Group now... his word is law.
You also seem to neglect the simple aspects of this "delema" which is the economics behind it. As mandated by the SEC, we know the R&D expendatures for Sony and in partcular their semiconductors. We know how much
Cell is burning threw - there isn't room for a concurrent development program for an entirely seperate architecture on the level of Cell. And then you overlook the enormous talk by Sony at that very same meeting in which they talk about how Cell will be put in the very same devices this Media Processor will. Is just doesn't exist as you're portreying it, I'm sorry.
If anything, My bet would be ICs that are similar to the Cell derived ICs as seen in the patent with CRTC and the ability to output as Paul stated.
It wouldn't be surprising to learn that the media processor is a GPU with a CELL front end for geometry processing and vertex shading (and also maybe pixel shading) and the rest is a graphics core meant for the rasterization side of things.
Exactly. I've been talking of such a device myself for quite a while and the patent clearly outlines such an IC. Which, honestly, is a beast just from what we've seen. I find saying it's sub-R500 premature, especially if you look at the frontend FP power - which is where the bulk of the intensive processing will take place in the future. It's kind of ironic that in the 3D forum their talking about how the NV40 will have a PPP and the R500 as well - which the VU/APUs can/have been doing all along.
This entire conversation based on an incomplete and horrible translation is way to premature. Yet, people have their reasons I suppose.
chaphack said:
Imo, isnt Cell like a PPC system, meaning you put a few dozens modified PPCs together and hope to run things in software with brute power?
Not at all. Perhaps you should stop with the premptive retarded-ese speak and try to learn - I mean, we've only had like 50 threads on this topic.
Like a array of modified Intel floating point enhanced chip. Big deal aside from the marketing. I love your sig DMGA.
- So, is the R300 the same as a bunch of "modified Intel floating point enhanced" components? They all are modifications on the Turing concept after all....
- Why does it not surprise me, it would appear that you greatly admire his logical approach and posting style.
