Saddam Arrested

[Grall]

PaulS if we went to texas and I burried a missle in the sand how long do you think it would take you to find ?

Assuming Paul did all the work himself with nothing but a pair of hands, or with an army consisting of tens of thousands of people and all kinds of high-tech gadgetry including spy satellites etc at his disposal?

Get real!


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[jvd]

PaulS if we went to texas and I burried a missle in the sand how long do you think it would take you to find ?

Assuming Paul did all the work himself with nothing but a pair of hands, or with an army consisting of tens of thousands of people and all kinds of high-tech gadgetry including spy satellites etc at his disposal?

Get real!


*G*

Give him the satilites . What are they going to do with an ever changing landscape of sand. Btw there aren't tens of thousands of people looking for wmd in iraq . GIve me money . I will build a crap load of buildings and have some wierd things going on there . While pauls is looking at those buildings finding out whats going on out there i will send one truck out to the middle of the desert during night.

Look at how long saddam was hidding with tens of thousands of people looking for him and all kinds of high-tech gadgetry including spy satellites and then being able to narrow it down to habitable areas . My point doesn't sound so far fetched anymore does it grall

 

[Willmeister]

Gimme a break. If he had a WMD program and stockpiles that were a threat, they're be evidence of their movement. Buildings popping up in an economically-deprived nation would be an instant clue something odd was going on and would be the first place inspected. And then trucks driving out in to the middle of nowhere would also be a clue. If they did it at night, it's even more suspicious. And if the Iraqis did hoodwink the US/UK, what does that tell us about them? It almost sounds that the uneducated Iraqis are much smarter than those college-educated intelligence officials we have entrusted to provide accurate information. Looks like these educated people stretched the truth to help in a purely politcal decision. The Iraqi invasion was obviously not a military priority, so it had to be made one even if it required playing fast and loose with the truth...

Hussein had no WMD. Bush lied because he knew it. Either way, people in the intelligence community should be fired on the spot, but we all know even 911 didn't force even one resignation... it's like nothing changed. One intelligence disaster after another.

 

[RussSchultz]

Just think, we caught Saddam now just in time for elections.

Ummm, when would not be "just in time for elections"?

Elections are nearly a year away, it'll be long forgotten by the time the election happens.

Can't you just say "yay. we've captured an evil man and he'll do no more evil"?

Or is it so important to oppose the US in all it does, regardless of the outcome, simply to be anti-establishment?

 

[jvd]

Gimme a break. If he had a WMD program and stockpiles that were a threat, they're be evidence of their movement. Buildings popping up in an economically-deprived nation would be an instant clue something odd was going on and would be the first place inspected.

which is exactly my point . While the eyes were on those areas the bombs could have been moved else where .

Hussein had no WMD. Bush lied because he knew it. Either way, people in the intelligence community should be fired on the spot, but we all know even 911 didn't force even one resignation... it's like nothing changed. One intelligence disaster after another.

Mabye he did . Mabye he didn't . Fact is there is no proof either way .

 

[PaulS]

Mabye he did . Mabye he didn't . Fact is there is no proof either way .

Exactly. No proof.

Amazing the numbers of people who are sent to their death over a disturbing lack of evidence, huh?

 

[Silent_One]

No doubt the Coalition will use this as propaganda to show how "successful" they've been, since they've got no WMD to show for it - an issue that'll no doubt be buried now, in the same way that the Osama issue has been conveniently buried too. I'm sure the families of the dead soldiers and innocent civilians are just overjoyed at this.

You know it get tiring to hear this crap. We capture one of the world's most notorious men, of which most people here agree was a ruthless bastard, yet people still use it as another opportunity to piss and moan. For once can't some of you people agree that it's a "job well done" WITHOUT putting the USA down?


Russ wrote:

Can't you just say "yay. we've captured an evil man and he'll do no more evil"?

Or is it so important to oppose the US in all it does, regardless of the outcome, simply to be anti-establishment?

Exactly.

 

[jvd]

Mabye he did . Mabye he didn't . Fact is there is no proof either way .

Exactly. No proof.

Amazing the numbers of people who are sent to their death over a disturbing lack of evidence, huh?

lack of proof does not confirm it not happening. It just doens't confirm thatit happens .


Like if you went into the woods and never came back. No proof to say if you ran off to live in another place with a new name or you died. Not untill someone finds you living some where else or your body was found .

 

[Willmeister]

Remember, though, that Cheney said loudly and often that they had proof that Iraq was in non-compliance, but refused to show others in the leadup to war. Never trust anyone who has to resort to the lame-o plea of 'trust me', espcially when the lives of a great number of people lie in the balance.

 

[jvd]

Remember, though, that Cheney said loudly and often that they had proof that Iraq was in non-compliance, but refused to show others in the leadup to war. Never trust anyone who has to resort to the lame-o plea of 'trust me', espcially when the lives of a great number of people lie in the balance.

Never trust a man who debates the definition of words .

 

[Paul]

He really does look like he was hiding in a dirt hole for months.

 

[diarrhea_splatter]

Just think, we caught Saddam now just in time for elections.

Ummm, when would not be "just in time for elections"?

Elections are nearly a year away, it'll be long forgotten by the time the election happens.

Can't you just say "yay. we've captured an evil man and he'll do no more evil"?

Or is it so important to oppose the US in all it does, regardless of the outcome, simply to be anti-establishment?

I'm not saying he isn't evil, that's a given. The reason why I mentioned the elections is because you know they'll pimp that real hard. And being that the CIA helped put Saddam into power back in the 60's is the reason why I can't say yay. I know that not every country is perfect but the US has a good track record of doing dumb shit (lesser of two evils, decisions). I guess the reason why I'm more vocal about our government is because I wasn't into politics years ago. I didn't know about all the bad things Clinton did; like give super dooper computers to China, covered up the Oklahoma blast, Waco; when I was younger and he was in office. But seeing all the atrocities that are happening in the States, it really pisses me off.

 

[Tim Murray]

Can't you just say "yay. we've captured an evil man and he'll do no more evil"?

Yay. We've captured an evil man, and he'll do no more evil.

But there's still a hell of a long way to go. This will help, hopefully a lot, but this is by no means THE END OF FIGHTING IN IRAQ like some members of the media are purporting it to be.

 

[Sabastian]

You know it get tiring to hear this crap. We capture one of the world's most notorious men, of which most people here agree was a ruthless bastard, yet people still use it as another opportunity to piss and moan. For once can't some of you people agree that it's a "job well done" WITHOUT putting the USA down?

You won't get that sort of praise from these people unless you have elected a welfare state left wing democrat. Bush is a straight out capitalist and an unrepentant conservative which is the real reason his detractors hate him. As long as he is your elected president there will be no quarter particularly from the other side of the pond. I have been saying this for a long time, socialism and its egalitarian sentiment is on the rise agian. Unless you deal with this logic in a rational manner it will not subside. Actually I don't ever think that the dangerous logic of egalitarianism will ever disappear. It should be put in its place, on regular basis, as a failed logic and the most likely means that totalitarianism will ever come to be in a democratic system. Anyhow expect no quarter from US haters while Americans choose to elect a stanch republican like Bush. I say he is doing a fine job and hope Americans re-elect the man. Cheers. Just saying.

 

[Grall]

Give him the satilites . What are they going to do with an ever changing landscape of sand.

You don't think those satellites spied on Iraq for years before the war started? You don't think various intelligence agencies tracked transports between various facilities, or bought people in Iraq off/sent in spies to find out what was in said facilities?

Besides, there are radar satellites that can penetrate the surface of the Earth to find hidden structures underneath. What the classified instruments aboard modern spy satellites are capable of we can only speculate about, but they should be fairly more advanced than the civilian techniques I have been able to read of.

Btw there aren't tens of thousands of people looking for wmd in iraq .

Not DIRECTLY, of course not, but they all got sent there for the purpose of finding and neutralizing said WMD, and their very presence should help to further that objective. Even down to the cooks that provide the meals for the rest of the force.

While pauls is looking at those buildings finding out whats going on out there i will send one truck out to the middle of the desert during night.

...Which Paul's satellites will detect. You think you can fool NSA etc with a guy in a friggin TRUCK at NIGHT? Well, it would be fairly worrysome if you could, wouldn't you say?

Look at how long saddam was hidding with tens of thousands of people looking for him and all kinds of high-tech gadgetry including spy satellites

Finding one guy amongst millions is quite a bit more difficult than finding entire factories and storehouses loaded with WMDs now wouldn't you say? After all, people can move about pretty much undetected by any means, but how DO you conceal all these WMDs? Bury them in the desert? Well first you gotta drive them OUT there, right?!

My point doesn't sound so far fetched anymore does it grall

Maybe not in your OWN ears.

You know it get tiring to hear this crap.

Ditto.

We capture one of the world's most notorious men, of which most people here agree was a ruthless bastard, yet people still use it as another opportunity to piss and moan. For once can't some of you people agree that it's a "job well done" WITHOUT putting the USA down?

You know, maybe, MAYBE, you'd have a point there if the US regularly went out on a holy crusade to dicratorship countries, invaded them and catched their leaders just to liberate them (ie: countries where there AREN'T any natural resources to speak of that can also be liberated).

But you don't see that happening much now DO YOU?????

There are WORSE people than Saddam Hussein still at large out there and the US does NOTHING. Many of the world's most horrific leaders were actually aided and abetted by the US. There's a pile of ruthless, bloody dictators that were in your pocket in Africa as well as the Americas. Pinochet is just one of them, and despite he's got literally thousands of lives on his conscience, he's probably one of the NICER guys to have been funded by the almighty CIA, who cares little for democracy and the will of the people, least of all of the will of the people in foreign countries.

So one could say with some degree of confidence, that the FREEKIN HYPOCRACY knows no boundaries in the US populace it seems! FOR ONCE it would be nice NOT to have to see the flag-waving, chest-thumping military armchair quarterbacks of the US sit behind their computer screens in total safety of their own homes and tell the rest of the world how damn great they are and how we all should stop expressing our differing opinions and simply bow down to their military might and all-round greatness. That would be friggin sweet!

Remember, you guys financed Saddam AND Usama too not THAT long ago! Morals and ethics don't seem to count much as long as these beastly people can be put to serve your own short-term capitalist-imperialistic interests. Jeez.

So Saddam is gone. What's the plan to stop the violence in Iraq?

The situations here? It’s like the living dead! That’s what! Nowhere to go, nothing to do, always afraid somethingt might happen or someone may attack you and if that doesn’t happen you can always die of boredom. This is not a place to live anymore, I’m trying my ass off to get out, ANYWHERE but here.

So you see, things seem to be proceeding smoothly with the occupation...


*G*

 

[Willmeister]

I'm not saying he isn't evil, that's a given. The reason why I mentioned the elections is because you know they'll pimp that real hard. And being that the CIA helped put Saddam into power back in the 60's is the reason why I can't say yay.

CIA involvment is his rise is a rumour, as is that mysterious list the CIA reportedly gave them. The CIA didn't like Qesam, but they didn't like pseudo-pan-Arab nationalists like the Ba'ath party either. We do know the USA bailed Hussein out when his war with Iran started going really badly for Iraq. The USA would have been very content if Iraq (rising Arab power) and Iran bleed the other but that never happened. Iraq started getting it's ass kicked so in went the US WMD and a carte blanche by the West to use them even against Iranian civilians...

I didn't know about all the bad things Clinton did; like give super dooper computers to China, covered up the Oklahoma blast, Waco; when I was younger and he was in office. But seeing all the atrocities that are happening in the States, it really pisses me off.

Clinton may have given tech to China but so did GHB before him (Loran tech). Is it strange that corporations lobbied for these tech giveaways? Hardly, that's what campaign money is for; it's investment. Government does whatever their new employers tell them to do.

As for coverups in Waco, well those were more FBI screwups (tainted crime labs anyone?). Take that up with Janet. What coverup of Oklahoma? The government's refusal to go after militias? I'd like to know what coverup has been rumoured?

 

[jvd]

...Which Paul's satellites will detect. You think you can fool NSA etc with a guy in a friggin TRUCK at NIGHT? Well, it would be fairly worrysome if you could, wouldn't you say?

about as worrysome as a bunch of people hijacking planes and bringing down the world trade centers. Didn't stop it from happening.


The usa is not a god. They odn't know everything that happens .iF they did then sadam would have been capatured on day 1 along with all the others .

 

[Silent_One]

Quote:

We capture one of the world's most notorious men, of which most people here agree was a ruthless bastard, yet people still use it as another opportunity to piss and moan. For once can't some of you people agree that it's a "job well done" WITHOUT putting the USA down?

You know, maybe, MAYBE, you'd have a point there if the US regularly went out on a holy crusade to dicratorship countries, invaded them and catched their leaders just to liberate them (ie: countries where there AREN'T any natural resources to speak of that can also be liberated).

But you don't see that happening much now DO YOU?????

There are WORSE people than Saddam Hussein still at large out there and the US does NOTHING. Many of the world's most horrific leaders were actually aided and abetted by the US. There's a pile of ruthless, bloody dictators that were in your pocket in Africa as well as the Americas. Pinochet is just one of them, and despite he's got literally thousands of lives on his conscience, he's probably one of the NICER guys to have been funded by the almighty CIA, who cares little for democracy and the will of the people, least of all of the will of the people in foreign countries.

So one could say with some degree of confidence, that the FREEKIN HYPOCRACY knows no boundaries in the US populace it seems! FOR ONCE it would be nice NOT to have to see the flag-waving, chest-thumping military armchair quarterbacks of the US sit behind their computer screens in total safety of their own homes and tell the rest of the world how damn great they are and how we all should stop expressing our differing opinions and simply bow down to their military might and all-round greatness. That would be friggin sweet!

Remember, you guys financed Saddam AND Usama too not THAT long ago! Morals and ethics don't seem to count much as long as these beastly people can be put to serve your own short-term capitalist-imperialistic interests. Jeez.

So Saddam is gone. What's the plan to stop the violence in Iraq?

I do have a point, and you just proved it.

 

[nelg]

Who cares about WMD. The fact is that a country with millions of people now has a chance to taste freedom.

 

[John Reynolds]

So Saddam is gone. What's the plan to stop the violence in Iraq?

The situations here? It’s like the living dead! That’s what! Nowhere to go, nothing to do, always afraid somethingt might happen or someone may attack you and if that doesn’t happen you can always die of boredom. This is not a place to live anymore, I’m trying my ass off to get out, ANYWHERE but here.

So you see, things seem to be proceeding smoothly with the occupation...


*G*

How did your friend feel the quality of living was in Iraq before the invasion?